Trump vs Sanders: Who wins PA?

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Trump is far less of an ideological extremist than Sanders. Anyone who seriously believes Sanders has more appeal to swing voters than Trump is delusional.

Apologies if I get too hackish, but Trump isn't a moderate if he focuses only on his policies that are farthest to the right (foreign policy, immigration).

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Trump is far less of an ideological extremist than Sanders. Anyone who seriously believes Sanders has more appeal to swing voters than Trump is delusional.

Have you not seen favorable ratings for each candidate?? Its not even close. Also compared to Trumps ban all muslims what has Bernie proposed that's as crazy as that?

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Trump is far less of an ideological extremist than Sanders. Anyone who seriously believes Sanders has more appeal to swing voters than Trump is delusional.

Apologies if I get too hackish, but Trump isn't a moderate if he focuses only on his policies that are farthest to the right (foreign policy, immigration).

Trump is hardly on the far right when it comes to foreign policy. Other than the irrelevant Rand Paul, he is the only GOP candidate who isn't a neocon.

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Trump is far less of an ideological extremist than Sanders. Anyone who seriously believes Sanders has more appeal to swing voters than Trump is delusional.

Apologies if I get too hackish, but Trump isn't a moderate if he focuses only on his policies that are farthest to the right (foreign policy, immigration).

Trump is hardly on the far right when it comes to foreign policy. Other than the irrelevant Rand Paul, he is the only GOP candidate who isn't a neocon.

Fair enough, but still. He focuses on "BUILD THE WALL", "BAN ALL MUSLIMS", and "SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET". There is no way that is electable.

[Figueira]

It's not that he's far right, it's that he has no political experience, and the Democratic establishment would be more comfortable with Sanders than the Republican establishment would be with Trump. Also, Trump alienates minorities, who aren't exactly a small group. You could argue that Sanders would cause low turnout among minorities, but the only way for him to win the nomination is by winning a decent number of them.

Trump is great at appealing to a certain subset of the GOP, but I have yet to see any evidence that he has any appeal beyond that, aside from people who will begrudgingly vote for whomever the GOP nominates.

[Kingpoleon]

Pennsylvania, though other states will give fairly even chances.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Trump is far less of an ideological extremist than Sanders. Anyone who seriously believes Sanders has more appeal to swing voters than Trump is delusional.

Apologies if I get too hackish, but Trump isn't a moderate if he focuses only on his policies that are farthest to the right (foreign policy, immigration).

Trump is hardly on the far right when it comes to foreign policy. Other than the irrelevant Rand Paul, he is the only GOP candidate who isn't a neocon.

Fair enough, but still. He focuses on "BUILD THE WALL", "BAN ALL MUSLIMS", and "SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET". There is no way that is electable.

Most Americans support building a wall to secure the border. His "deport everybody" position might hurt him, but I think there's a strong chance he'll moderate on that after the primaries. His numbers went up after the Muslim comments, and there were polls showing that even 40% of Democrats supported the Muslim ban (when Trump's name wasn't mentioned in the question, when it was support fell to around 25%).

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

It's not that he's far right, it's that he has no political experience, and the Democratic establishment would be more comfortable with Sanders than the Republican establishment would be with Trump. Also, Trump alienates minorities, who aren't exactly a small group. You could argue that Sanders would cause low turnout among minorities, but the only way for him to win the nomination is by winning a decent number of them.

Trump is great at appealing to a certain subset of the GOP, but I have yet to see any evidence that he has any appeal beyond that, aside from people who will begrudgingly vote for whomever the GOP nominates.

According to both CNN and FOX he's already at 47%, and he leads comfortably in FL & CO general election polls.

[DS0816]

Let's have Missouri U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill field this question!

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Let's have Missouri U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill field this question!

Ugh god no she's terrible.

[Figueira]

It's not that he's far right, it's that he has no political experience, and the Democratic establishment would be more comfortable with Sanders than the Republican establishment would be with Trump. Also, Trump alienates minorities, who aren't exactly a small group. You could argue that Sanders would cause low turnout among minorities, but the only way for him to win the nomination is by winning a decent number of them.

Trump is great at appealing to a certain subset of the GOP, but I have yet to see any evidence that he has any appeal beyond that, aside from people who will begrudgingly vote for whomever the GOP nominates.

Since you seem to believe everything that GE polls say, then maybe I can use the "Sanders is leading all the GE polls" argument?
According to both CNN and FOX he's already at 47%, and he leads comfortably in FL & CO general election polls.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

It's not that he's far right, it's that he has no political experience, and the Democratic establishment would be more comfortable with Sanders than the Republican establishment would be with Trump. Also, Trump alienates minorities, who aren't exactly a small group. You could argue that Sanders would cause low turnout among minorities, but the only way for him to win the nomination is by winning a decent number of them.

Trump is great at appealing to a certain subset of the GOP, but I have yet to see any evidence that he has any appeal beyond that, aside from people who will begrudgingly vote for whomever the GOP nominates.

Since you seem to believe everything that GE polls say, then maybe I can use the "Sanders is leading all the GE polls" argument?
According to both CNN and FOX he's already at 47%, and he leads comfortably in FL & CO general election polls.

No. Sanders has not yet been scrutinized by the media or seriously attacked by his opponents. Both Trump and Hillary have already gone through that in spades.

[IceSpear]

The thing with Trump vs. Sanders is that I could see either one winning in a landslide, or it being close. It would be a very unpredictable election.

Bernie is weak with AAs which are essential for a Democrat to win the state these days. I don't see him playing very well in the Philadelphia suburbs either, though it depends on how badly Trump behaves. For all we know Bernie could be seen the lesser of two evils by the end of the campaign. But Bernie will also be getting outspent like 10:1. Lean Trump I guess.

[Tender Branson]

Sanders.

He's the WHITE HERO*. And if he wins the nomination, is endorsed by the defeated Hillary, Warren, Obama, Biden etc. - he can re-assemble the Obama coalition as well, by getting the hipster young people and Blaxicasians** in PA to the polls. TRUMP goes down in flames, because his appeal among Indies pales in comparison to the man of the working class voters.

* (not meant in a racist way, just to highlight the fact that he would clobber Trump and get significantly more support among Whites than Hillary would).

** (not meant in a racist way either, just my alternative word for "minorities")

[Holmes]

Tender

broski

If you need to make TWO disclaimers in your post saying that you're not being racist

Then you're being racist

[Tender Branson]

Tender

broski

If you need to make TWO disclaimers in your post saying that you're not being racist

Then you're being racist

No, I did so because I knew exactly that someone would complain ... and there you are.

[Holmes]

Are you tone deaf? Calling out racism isn't complaining. The term "blaxicasian" is a perfect example of subtle racism. Lumping all non-whites together into one stupid little term as if they all vote in a bloc, as if all their issues are the same is racist. And using the term "white hero" in this context is very suspect, just like when Republicans said they needed a white hero to defeat Obama.

Do you understand?

[RFayette]

TIL Bernie Sanders is "the man" of working-class voters.  Okay...

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

The delusion of Sanders supporters is literally off the rails. Do they seriously not remember when Trump was the most unfavorably viewed Republican (amongst GOP voters) immediately after entering the race? The whole thing was a disaster until he threw some punches that only a genius could think up.

[Tender Branson]

Are you tone deaf? Calling out racism isn't complaining. The term "blaxicasian" is a perfect example of subtle racism. Lumping all non-whites together into one stupid little term as if they all vote in a bloc, as if all their issues are the same is racist. And using the term "white hero" in this context is very suspect, just like when Republicans said they needed a white hero to defeat Obama.

Do you understand?

Nothing is racist here. Blaxicasians = minorities. Do you think the word "minorities" is racist too ?

"White hero" are words to describe Hillary's lack of appeal among Whites, which Bernie has. And if you have broader appeal among Whites, it's probably easier to win the GE - because Sanders would bring roughly the same amount of minority voters to the polls as Hillary, after being endorsed by other major Dems.

Not hard to understand.

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Are you tone deaf? Calling out racism isn't complaining. The term "blaxicasian" is a perfect example of subtle racism. Lumping all non-whites together into one stupid little term as if they all vote in a bloc, as if all their issues are the same is racist. And using the term "white hero" in this context is very suspect, just like when Republicans said they needed a white hero to defeat Obama.

Do you understand?

Nothing is racist here. Blaxicasians = minorities. Do you think the word "minorities" is racist too ?

"White hero" are words to describe Hillary's lack of appeal among Whites, which Bernie has. And if you have broader appeal among Whites, it's probably easier to win the GE - because Sanders would bring roughly the same amount of minority voters to the polls as Hillary, after being endorsed by other major Dems.

Not hard to understand.

Both of you guys are wrong. The end.

[Lief 🗽]

TIL Bernie Sanders is "the man" of working-class voters.  Okay...

TIL that rich white college kids living off their parents are "working-class" LOL

[Holmes]

Are you tone deaf? Calling out racism isn't complaining. The term "blaxicasian" is a perfect example of subtle racism. Lumping all non-whites together into one stupid little term as if they all vote in a bloc, as if all their issues are the same is racist. And using the term "white hero" in this context is very suspect, just like when Republicans said they needed a white hero to defeat Obama.

Do you understand?

Nothing is racist here. Blaxicasians = minorities. Do you think the word "minorities" is racist too ?

"White hero" are words to describe Hillary's lack of appeal among Whites, which Bernie has. And if you have broader appeal among Whites, it's probably easier to win the GE - because Sanders would bring roughly the same amount of minority voters to the polls as Hillary, after being endorsed by other major Dems.

Not hard to understand.

Dude, what. I know that you like to use the word "blaxicasian" as another word for "ethnic minority" for some reason, maybe because you made it up, I dunno, but you're basically taking the values and cultures of all non-white races (not even, just blacks, Mexicans and Asians and having those three represent non-whites) and lumping them up together into one. It's stupid and it's subtle.

[ElectionsGuy]

Sanders. Again, Trump would over-perform in the southwestern and Appalachian parts of the state, only to under-perform massively among the Philly suburbs and some of the other cities out east.

[DavidB.]

@Holmes: If it's not the term in its own right (which I could understand) that you find to be problematic but the fact that it is used this way, do you also object to people saying that Sanders should do better with ethnic minorities (which is something people say all the time)?