Counter-Reformation vs. Magisterial Reformation vs. Radical Reformation

[Mopsus]

Option 3 (abnormal, probably)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Magisterial.

A prominent historian made the case that counter-reformation is the root cause of Italy's cultural, social and political decline in the 16th century, from which it has never recovered.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Magisterial because the Magisterial Reformation created some fairly good forms of Protestantism while the Counter-Reformation made Catholicism worse.

[Mopsus]

[T]he Counter-Reformation made Catholicism worse.

In what way(s)?

[DC Al Fine]

Magisterial.

A prominent historian made the case that counter-reformation is the root cause of Italy's cultural, social and political decline in the 16th century, from which it has never recovered.

Which one? Can you link to a book about it? I'd like to read about it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Magisterial.

A prominent historian made the case that counter-reformation is the root cause of Italy's cultural, social and political decline in the 16th century, from which it has never recovered.

Which one? Can you link to a book about it? I'd like to read about it.

I don't know if the book has been translated in English, but here is the reference:

http://www.amazon.com/Lidentita-italiana-Italian-Edition-Ernesto/dp/8815066128

It deals with many complex issues in a rather succinct way, so there might be other works that focus more sharply on this specific topic, but it was a very interesting read to me. Galli Della Loggia's ideological perspective is, roughly speaking, the Statist right (a variant of gaullism, if you will), which means that both you and me have elements of agreement and disagreement with it. He does have a lot of ill to say about each of 19th century liberalism, fascism, communism and Christian democracy.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

A prominent historian made the case that counter-reformation is the root cause of Italy's cultural, social and political decline in the 16th century, from which it has never recovered.

That seems very... 19th century... as an argument...

[Antonio the Sixth]

A prominent historian made the case that counter-reformation is the root cause of Italy's cultural, social and political decline in the 16th century, from which it has never recovered.

That seems very... 19th century... as an argument...

I'm not saying I buy it entirely, and it's most likely that he overstated it a bit (and the book itself has a lot more nuance and complexity). However, I do think there is a degree of truth to that.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Vote for counter-reformation.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

By familial heritage, radical reformer.

[TJ in Oregon]

Counter-Reformation (I know you're all shocked). It did quite a bit to address the problems within the Catholic Church in the way that an existential threat is sometimes needed to get an organization to do so. It may be time to resuppress the Jesuits though