Election Test

[RINO Tom]

... give me the two pro-business Republicans!

[SWE]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

[Rockefeller GOP]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

[SWE]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

[Oldiesfreak1854]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

How was this an endorsement of Lincoln?

[Oldiesfreak1854]

I guess I didn't say who I would vote for, but TBH I like both of the candidates on both tickets. It would all depend on what kind of campaign they would run in a modern context.

Reagan: A popular conservative Governor of California whose running a hopeful, idealistic campaign, so think Rubio

Reagan was not terribly popular as Governor, nor was his record especially conservative.

[Rockefeller GOP]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

Lincoln was a frickin' corporate lawyer for the railroad companies before politics, wasn't he?  He very proudly branded himself as a Constitutionalist and praised the free market and upward mobility; he did NOTHING before or during his Presidency that he didn't 100% believe to be within his Constitutional powers.  The RNC in the 1950s also gave a bunch of lip service to unions in their platform, so what?

To act like Lincoln's politics were anywhere in the realm of Karl Marx is absurd.  So Karl Marx opposed slavery ... So did the Quakers and nearly all Prohibitionists; that was a HUGE tent.

[Clark Kent]

He's a communist. Ignore him. They don't let silly bourgeois things like logic, reason, and facts get in their way.

[SWE]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

How was this an endorsement of Lincoln?

That's a Lincoln quote, sorry.

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

Lincoln was a frickin' corporate lawyer for the railroad companies before politics, wasn't he?  He very proudly branded himself as a Constitutionalist and praised the free market and upward mobility; he did NOTHING before or during his Presidency that he didn't 100% believe to be within his Constitutional powers.  The RNC in the 1950s also gave a bunch of lip service to unions in their platform, so what?

To act like Lincoln's politics were anywhere in the realm of Karl Marx is absurd.  So Karl Marx opposed slavery ... So did the Quakers and nearly all Prohibitionists; that was a HUGE tent.

Ok? Not really sure what you're getting at? Of course I don't think Lincoln is some anti-capitalist (that's pretty much why I like him).

He's a communist.

I think we get the gist of it by now, you read the wikipedia article on communism and you don't like it. You can probably give it a rest by now.

[Rockefeller GOP]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

How was this an endorsement of Lincoln?

That's a Lincoln quote, sorry.

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

Lincoln was a frickin' corporate lawyer for the railroad companies before politics, wasn't he?  He very proudly branded himself as a Constitutionalist and praised the free market and upward mobility; he did NOTHING before or during his Presidency that he didn't 100% believe to be within his Constitutional powers.  The RNC in the 1950s also gave a bunch of lip service to unions in their platform, so what?

To act like Lincoln's politics were anywhere in the realm of Karl Marx is absurd.  So Karl Marx opposed slavery ... So did the Quakers and nearly all Prohibitionists; that was a HUGE tent.

Ok? Not really sure what you're getting at? Of course I don't think Lincoln is some anti-capitalist (that's pretty much why I like him).

He's a communist.

I think we get the gist of it by now, you read the wikipedia article on communism and you don't like it. You can probably give it a rest by now.

You certainly implied that Lincoln was the obvious choice for a communist ... And that's not overly obvious at all.

[SWE]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

How was this an endorsement of Lincoln?

That's a Lincoln quote, sorry.

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

Lincoln was a frickin' corporate lawyer for the railroad companies before politics, wasn't he?  He very proudly branded himself as a Constitutionalist and praised the free market and upward mobility; he did NOTHING before or during his Presidency that he didn't 100% believe to be within his Constitutional powers.  The RNC in the 1950s also gave a bunch of lip service to unions in their platform, so what?

To act like Lincoln's politics were anywhere in the realm of Karl Marx is absurd.  So Karl Marx opposed slavery ... So did the Quakers and nearly all Prohibitionists; that was a HUGE tent.

Ok? Not really sure what you're getting at? Of course I don't think Lincoln is some anti-capitalist (that's pretty much why I like him).

He's a communist.

I think we get the gist of it by now, you read the wikipedia article on communism and you don't like it. You can probably give it a rest by now.

You certainly implied that Lincoln was the obvious choice for a communist ... And that's not overly obvious at all.

Sure he is. Any self-respecting communist would support the transition from a slave-based economy to capitalism.

[RINO Tom]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

How was this an endorsement of Lincoln?

That's a Lincoln quote, sorry.

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

Lincoln was a frickin' corporate lawyer for the railroad companies before politics, wasn't he?  He very proudly branded himself as a Constitutionalist and praised the free market and upward mobility; he did NOTHING before or during his Presidency that he didn't 100% believe to be within his Constitutional powers.  The RNC in the 1950s also gave a bunch of lip service to unions in their platform, so what?

To act like Lincoln's politics were anywhere in the realm of Karl Marx is absurd.  So Karl Marx opposed slavery ... So did the Quakers and nearly all Prohibitionists; that was a HUGE tent.

Ok? Not really sure what you're getting at? Of course I don't think Lincoln is some anti-capitalist (that's pretty much why I like him).

He's a communist.

I think we get the gist of it by now, you read the wikipedia article on communism and you don't like it. You can probably give it a rest by now.

You certainly implied that Lincoln was the obvious choice for a communist ... And that's not overly obvious at all.

Sure he is. Any self-respecting communist would support the transition from a slave-based economy to capitalism.

I assume this hypothetical election is happening in some magical timeline ... I mean if slavery really were an issue, FDR would jump off of the Democratic ticket in a heartbeat.  In a hypothetical time period where these four all have similar issues to argue about, I don't see why a moderate Republican and his conservative running mate are THAT much more appealing than Andrew Jackson, one of the forefathers of economic populism, and his liberal runningmate.

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Seriously guys, this is one of the dumbest threads I've seen on Atlas.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

To act like Lincoln's politics were anywhere in the realm of Karl Marx is absurd.  So Karl Marx opposed slavery ... So did the Quakers and nearly all Prohibitionists; that was a HUGE tent.

Not to mention Unitarians and nearly all the suffragettes.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Lol at the idea of Lincoln being any kind of modern liberal.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Seriously guys, this is one of the dumbest threads I've seen on Atlas.

[This account no longer in use.]

I don't get the point you're trying to make here. Matching up arguably the two best Republican presidents of all time against two racists for the Democratic Party, just so that the Republicans can look good? I believe that is called 'partisanship'.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

I don't get the point you're trying to make here. Matching up arguably the two best Republican presidents of all time against two racists for the Democratic Party, just so that the Republicans can look good? I believe that is called 'partisanship'.

Considering that this forum is hyperpartisan for Democrats, I wouldn't say that.  And I don't think I would call FDR a racist, either.  I think the idea was to use the first president from both parties, then use a more recent/modern day leader as the VP candidate.

[Clark Kent]

I don't get the point you're trying to make here. Matching up arguably the two best Republican presidents of all time against two racists for the Democratic Party, just so that the Republicans can look good? I believe that is called 'partisanship'.

Considering that this forum is hyperpartisan for Democrats, I wouldn't say that.  And I don't think I would call FDR a racist, either.  I think the idea was to use the first president from both parties, then use a more recent/modern day leader as the VP candidate.

Yep. Lincoln/Reagan was easy, and I considered doing Roosevelt/Clinton instead, but Andrew Jackson was the first, so I wanted him on there.