Democratic Iowa Caucus results thread (entrance poll @8pm ET)

[Panhandle Progressive]

The hackery here is stunning. This was a statistical tie fair and square with the final results showing Bernie just a few delegates behind her in the last minutes. I give credit to Hillary and her campaign for getting out her vote, but Bernie really was the real star here. He really did something amazing and the fact that it was this close just shows how exciting the race is to Democrats at least so far.

It will be dull starting on Super Tuesday and beyond. Because Bernie won't be competitive then.

A month ago he wasn't competitive, but he has the movement, he has the money, he has the momentum. All he needs is the message. I think he can turn this around in his favor.

Wrong! No chance. Tell me which state he wins on Super Tuesday and beyond. Vermont and ??

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

The hackery here is stunning. This was a statistical tie fair and square with the final results showing Bernie just a few delegates behind her in the last minutes. I give credit to Hillary and her campaign for getting out her vote, but Bernie really was the real star here. He really did something amazing and the fact that it was this close just shows how exciting the race is to Democrats at least so far.

It will be dull starting on Super Tuesday and beyond. Because Bernie won't be competitive then.

A month ago he wasn't competitive, but he has the movement, he has the money, he has the momentum. All he needs is the message. I think he can turn this around in his favor.

Wrong! No chance. Tell me which state he wins on Super Tuesday and beyond. Vermont and ??

Minnesota at minimum. Probably Colorado. We'll see beyond that.

[Panhandle Progressive]

we've already known for ages he had a decent shot to win Iowa.

Says the guy with an inevitable signature.

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I never saw an Iowa win as crucial to her inevitability (though it would've been nice.) What makes her inevitable is her enormous support among minorities, huge advantage among superdelegates, a highly favorable primary calendar after NH, and an Obama endorsement trump card that she almost certainly has to play at the opportune moment if needed. None of these things have anything to do with Iowa. Inevitability doesn't mean you have to win 50 states or even win easily. It just means you're inevitably winning.

Worth re-posting at this point.

[The Other Castro]

Microsoft is now showing every precinct reporting.

[The Other Castro]

Awful that Hillary's campaign was caught basically committing voter fraud on live television. Really shows where the Clinton campaign is.

LOL, already with the sore loser conspiracy theories.

Did you see the video? It's pretty clear there's some shady shinks going on.

[Oakvale]

lmao Bernie Bros can't even be happy with a near-tie, instead resorting to conspiracy theory nonsense.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Final numbers on AP: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2016/by_state/IA_Page_0201.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS

Clinton 701
Sanders 697
O'Malley 8

[Seriously?]

Given the media's obsession with the communist who must not be named, they'll probably focus on the coin flips, focus on the Polk County counting incident and try to spin it so that $anders will be seen as the winner. Never mind the fact that all of those incidents were faked by the $anders campaign so that he would have an excuse for losing like the communist that he is. Honestly, when Hillary becomes president, I hope she bans all biased media.

Sanders should be seen as the "winner" here. A few months ago, the commie had no chance in Iowa. He managed to basically make this thing a tie with the ethically-challenged one, especially with the convoluted way you guys count votes in Iowa. Coin flips in an election? Should that ever happen?

It's no different than the Republican side where Rubio should get a lot of mileage out of defying expectations and performing 8 points or so better than expected and likely becoming the GOP-e candidate of choice. That's really what it's about right now. Exceeding expectations.

[Oakvale]

Coin flips were for county delegates, not state. There's thousands of them. Coin flips didn't make a difference.

[Shadows]

lmao Bernie Bros can't even be happy with a near-tie, instead resorting to conspiracy theory nonsense.

Don't make dumb comments, win or lose issues are issues. These videos were posted in the Sanders forum way back as the caucus began. So either way there way there will be a discussion. The Sanders campaign can't be naive - I hope this lesson is received & they fight for their rights.

And they were for State Delegates as well for sure. I have heard from people 1st hand that their were ties with 9 delegates up from grabs & the toss gave the final delegate to Hillary. People who were caucusing said this way before the Media reported with details.

[Shadows]

The hackery here is stunning. This was a statistical tie fair and square with the final results showing Bernie just a few delegates behind her in the last minutes. I give credit to Hillary and her campaign for getting out her vote, but Bernie really was the real star here. He really did something amazing and the fact that it was this close just shows how exciting the race is to Democrats at least so far.

Bernie needed the one-two punch of victories in IA/NH to build a media narrative and gain enough momentum to be competitive considering the calendar isn't favorable to him after that. He's only going to get one of them now that Hillary has beaten him back in Iowa and NH is practically his home state. It's not enough.

The excitement for the ancient small state socialist just isn't there. I guess he's going to be an irrelevant trivia question within a couple months after all of this hype.

It does not look good for Clinton though, she looks like a sure shot looser in a general. 80% plus of young voters is unreal. You can't win an election when every year newer voters come & you have no connect with them. Very very poor with independents without which you can't win elections. A modest turnout, high votes from 65+, huge campaign money funded by Wall Street & the Clinton name & the 1 year prep & she only has what like 0.2% more than Sanders with coin flips and stuff.

I agree with you though a 1-2 in Iowa & NH would be a huge loss for Clinton & likely fall from grace. So she does hang on. Bernie, is so much the under-dog here, a virtual tie or 0.2% loss with 21-23 delegate split will not make a major difference. He will anyways be looked as the Fringe Candidate who basically got a tie in Iowa.

I would say Clinton should pray for a modest turn-out because if it goes high & young people vote, this race is over.

I don't think Bernie winning Iowa & getting 23 delegates instead of 21 would have made a huge difference. But is psychologically would be a huge loss for Hillary, with the media running the headlines about the upset of the century & what not. Huge setback for Hillary is avoided.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

A. Clinton's crew here are really...militant
B. do we have a map of Iowa with results already?

Dave is nothing if not efficient about such things:



Red Clinton, Green Sanders.

But here's the amusing part; compare with 2008...



Red Clinton, Green Obama, Blue Edwards

[Shadows]

A. Clinton's crew here are really...militant
B. do we have a map of Iowa with results already?

Dave is nothing if not efficient about such things:



Red Clinton, Green Sanders.

But here's the amusing part; compare with 2008...



Red Clinton, Green Obama, Blue Edwards

Thanks - Clinton got 75-80% of Edwards votes, contrary to perception Bernie probably does better in the rural & outer areas maybe? Big concentration of support from Clinton

[Holmes]

wtf at saying Clinton won't win the youth vote in the general because they backed Sanders here.

[Lyin' Steve]

If Sanders is the real winner and Clinton the real loser tonight, as Sean Hannity and the Bernie Sanders supporters have found common ground on, then why are all the Clinton supporters here calm and all the Sanders supporters hysterically tearing their hair about with conspiracy theories about coin flips?

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If Sanders is the real winner and Clinton the real loser tonight, as Sean Hannity and the Bernie Sanders supporters have found common ground on, then why are all the Clinton supporters here calm and all the Sanders supporters hysterically tearing their hair about with conspiracy theories about coin flips?

Because while Sanders and his campaign surrogates are putting the best possible spin on this virtual tie, Sanders needed a clear win. Granted, anything could still happen, especially with the FBI possibly playing the indictment card at any moment, but this was not what Sanders wanted to accomplish.

[Illiniwek]

I am very satisfied with the results. While this is not best case scenario for Hillary, I think the Democratic Party had a very good result. Hillary is still in good shape after New Hampshire to get the nomination, which she wouldn't have been if she actually did lose. Bernie is pressing Hillary on progressive values, which she is now embracing, which will help her in November.

So in the end we will have a Hillary who is reaching out more to progressive voters, who have been fired up by Bernie, all while the primary process has established the Democratic Party as the sane party with actual solutions to the country's problem. I am feeling more confident that there will be no Republican in the White House next year.

[Shadows]

wtf at saying Clinton won't win the youth vote in the general because they backed Sanders here.

20% of Sander supporters have already said that they won't vote for Clinton as per polls so far.

And Sanders also has a strong independent backing who will never support a phony, corrupt candidate like Clinton. Clinton does very poorly among independents, has very low favorability among the general & is considered dishonest by the youth

They won't vote. You will go back to seeing 80% of the youth not voting in the elections & a section of the  independents not voting or voting GOP. Hillary is not electable in a general

[Oakvale]

wtf at saying Clinton won't win the youth vote in the general because they backed Sanders here.

20% of Sander supporters have already said that they won't vote for Clinton as per polls so far.

And Sanders also has a strong independent backing who will never support a phony, corrupt candidate like Clinton. Clinton does very poorly among independents, has very low favorability among the general & is considered dishonest by the youth

They won't vote. You will go back to seeing 80% of the youth not voting in the elections & a section of the  independents not voting or voting GOP. Hillary is not electable in a general

lmao go back to Reddit

[Holmes]

wtf at saying Clinton won't win the youth vote in the general because they backed Sanders here.

20% of Sander supporters have already said that they won't vote for Clinton as per polls so far.

And Sanders also has a strong independent backing who will never support a phony, corrupt candidate like Clinton. Clinton does very poorly among independents, has very low favorability among the general & is considered dishonest by the youth

They won't vote. You will go back to seeing 80% of the youth not voting in the elections & a section of the  independents not voting or voting GOP. Hillary is not electable in a general

In other words, young white people are cry babies and want to have their cake and eat it too? It is known.

[Shadows]

wtf at saying Clinton won't win the youth vote in the general because they backed Sanders here.

20% of Sander supporters have already said that they won't vote for Clinton as per polls so far.

And Sanders also has a strong independent backing who will never support a phony, corrupt candidate like Clinton. Clinton does very poorly among independents, has very low favorability among the general & is considered dishonest by the youth

They won't vote. You will go back to seeing 80% of the youth not voting in the elections & a section of the  independents not voting or voting GOP. Hillary is not electable in a general

lmao go back to Reddit

A very intelligent comment. Not unsurprising coming from a Trump supporter, your very high level of Intelligence is a given.

wtf at saying Clinton won't win the youth vote in the general because they backed Sanders here.

20% of Sander supporters have already said that they won't vote for Clinton as per polls so far.

And Sanders also has a strong independent backing who will never support a phony, corrupt candidate like Clinton. Clinton does very poorly among independents, has very low favorability among the general & is considered dishonest by the youth

They won't vote. You will go back to seeing 80% of the youth not voting in the elections & a section of the  independents not voting or voting GOP. Hillary is not electable in a general

In other words, young white people are cry babies and want to have their cake and eat it too? It is known.

The issue is you can't win a general unless you connect with the independents who are the largest bloc & you need some "young votes", not when you are getting a horrible 14%. The onus is up to Hillary to connect with young voters & independents & expand the democrat vote share.

Look you can not depend on 65+ demographic & the 20-25% strong democrat base to win you a general, you can't. Hillary should pray Trump gets elected - if Rubio is elected, Clinton is in deep trouble!

[Lyin' Steve]

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

[jaichind]

According to the link on uselectionatlas It seems the raw votes are

Clinton     69,631
Sanders   69,319
O'Malley       758

So Clinton wins by around 300 votes.

[This account no longer in use.]

Never mind. I can't do this 'Clinton voter' act anymore. I've read some of the Clinton supporters' posts here, and I don't want to be like those supporters, even if I'm joking. They are horrible people.

[Tender Branson]

According to the link on uselectionatlas It seems the raw votes are

Clinton     69,631
Sanders   69,319
O'Malley       758

So Clinton wins by around 300 votes.

That's impossible, because the Iowa Democratic Party wrote in their press release that turnout was 171,109 voters.