Democratic Iowa Caucus results thread (entrance poll @8pm ET)

[Landslide Lyndon]

wtf at saying Clinton won't win the youth vote in the general because they backed Sanders here.

That reminds me of the Clinton hacks back in 2008 when they were saying that Obama can't win California and Pennsylvania because she beat him by double digits in these states.

[Krzysztof Lesiak]

The Atlas results list Jim Webb's name instead of Martin O'Malley.
uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=19&year=2016&f=0&off=0&elect=1

[Oakvale]

Never mind. I can't do this 'Clinton voter' act anymore. I've read some of the Clinton supporters' posts here, and I don't want to be like those supporters, even if I'm joking. They are horrible people.

[jaichind]

According to the link on uselectionatlas It seems the raw votes are

Clinton     69,631
Sanders   69,319
O'Malley       758

So Clinton wins by around 300 votes.

That's impossible, because the Iowa Democratic Party wrote in their press release that turnout was 171,109 voters.

The atlas link does seem to match the results at NY times site. on a county by county basis.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/primaries/iowa?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

[136or142]

According to the link on uselectionatlas It seems the raw votes are

Clinton     69,631
Sanders   69,319
O'Malley       758

So Clinton wins by around 300 votes.

That's impossible, because the Iowa Democratic Party wrote in their press release that turnout was 171,109 voters.

Rocky De La Fuente!

[Tender Branson]

According to the link on uselectionatlas It seems the raw votes are

Clinton     69,631
Sanders   69,319
O'Malley       758

So Clinton wins by around 300 votes.

That's impossible, because the Iowa Democratic Party wrote in their press release that turnout was 171,109 voters.

The atlas link does seem to match the results at NY times site. on a county by county basis.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/primaries/iowa?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

Yeah, but unless there was a typo in the IA DP release - there's a gap of 30.000 voters.

[Shadows]

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

Not really. Young people are a lot more less compromising & idealistic than olders. And this is the reason HRC got only 14% of those votes & this is the reason Clinton will get destroyed by Rubio in a general election - The onus is on her to connect with young people. A large section looks at HRC as the same "dishonest" politician who is not a great deal better than the GOP. A lot of these people don't care about politics much, certainly have no obligation to vote

Bernie supporters are not your democratic establishment. They have independents who are the largest bloc & will decide the election. With so much money, Wall Street, media, if these independents & young voters don't give 2 sh**ts about Hillary, I don't see them voting. You can't win a GENERAL with low connection with independents, who don't care about Hillary or the GOP & consider most of them the same.

You need to connect with them. If you are thinking painting the GOP is bad will automatically get these guys to vote, you have already lost the general. The onus is on Hillary to connect & unless you connect, you would NOT be getting these votes.

[Lyin' Steve]

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

Not really. Young people are a lot more less compromising & idealistic than olders. And this is the reason HRC got only 14% of those votes & this is the reason Clinton will get destroyed by Rubio in a general election - The onus is on her to connect with young people. A large section looks at HRC as the same "dishonest" politician who is not a great deal better than the GOP. A lot of these people don't care about politics much, certainly have no obligation to vote

Bernie supporters are not your democratic establishment. They have independents who are the largest bloc & will decide the election. With so much money, Wall Street, media, if these independents & young voters don't give 2 sh**ts about Hillary, I don't see them voting. You can't win a GENERAL with low connection with independents, who don't care about Hillary or the GOP & consider most of them the same.

Whichever the campaign is, even if they won't vote GOP but they won't care about the Democrat candidate either - You need to connect with them. If you are thinking painting the GOP is bad will automatically get these guys to vote, you have already lost the general.

The onus is on Hillary to connect & unless you connect, you would NOT be getting these votes.

Haha, the myth that Rubio has some magical appeal to young voters continues. 

[Marokai Backbeat]

I kind of agree that Clinton has a problem here in the general but it really doesn't have much to do with Bernie specifically. That's just the symptom of the underlying problem; Hillary has never been particularly popular with young people. She's very well respected by them, but most people around my age at this point pretty much just see Hillary as a calculating political animal through and though - not to mention way out of touch with their sensibilities. There's a reason that Hillary has been outflanked by candidates buoyed by young lefties twice now.

The problem in the general comes not from this huge pool of Bernie voters that are forever bitter against her (though some tiny number of them exist) but just the fact that convincing a young person that Hillary is as inspiring and worth turning out for in comparison to Obama is a tough hill to climb. She will just forever have the reputation of a person a step behind the times due to her positions on numerous things. It doesn't mean these people will vote for her opponent, but I could see plenty of apathy.

[Boston Bread]

So the young Trump voters didn't show. While the young Sanders voters turned out as well as polls expected.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

CNN just called Iowa for Clinton

[Shadows]

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

Not really. Young people are a lot more less compromising & idealistic than olders. And this is the reason HRC got only 14% of those votes & this is the reason Clinton will get destroyed by Rubio in a general election - The onus is on her to connect with young people. A large section looks at HRC as the same "dishonest" politician who is not a great deal better than the GOP. A lot of these people don't care about politics much, certainly have no obligation to vote

Bernie supporters are not your democratic establishment. They have independents who are the largest bloc & will decide the election. With so much money, Wall Street, media, if these independents & young voters don't give 2 sh**ts about Hillary, I don't see them voting. You can't win a GENERAL with low connection with independents, who don't care about Hillary or the GOP & consider most of them the same.

Whichever the campaign is, even if they won't vote GOP but they won't care about the Democrat candidate either - You need to connect with them. If you are thinking painting the GOP is bad will automatically get these guys to vote, you have already lost the general.

The onus is on Hillary to connect & unless you connect, you would NOT be getting these votes.

Haha, the myth that Rubio has some magical appeal to young voters continues. 
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The data says that Rubio came 2nd in 10-12 man race or whatever with 20-25% of the young voters in a state where he is expected to do bad. Clinton is Clinton, with her billions & is campaigning for 8 years & gets 14% votes against a fringe, socialist candidate. There is no indication from that data Rubio is bad with young people rather is as good as any other GOP candidate probably better than someone like Trump.

That means there is some problem with her campaign. If you want to play the game, hey Rubio is not great either, go ahead. This is the reason why the Dems are not a 50 state party & loose the house.

Rubio is decent among young voters in his target market.  My point is Clinton needs these 85% of voters who want a PROGRESSIVE - They don't want a Rubio or a right wing. But if Clinton can't connect with them, a section of them will likely stay at home & not vote.

And I think she will have a bigger problem with independents who essentially decide elections.

[Erc]

According to the link on uselectionatlas It seems the raw votes are

Clinton     69,631
Sanders   69,319
O'Malley       758

So Clinton wins by around 300 votes.

These are the State Delegate Equivalent numbers multiplied by 100.  Not raw vote totals in any way, shape, or form.

Note that means each county's vote totals should sum up to a multiple of 100 (modulo rounding errors).  This is not the case in Kossuth, Hancock, or Fremont counties, where some results must have just been irretrievably lost.

[Shadows]

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

Not really. Young people are a lot more less compromising & idealistic than olders. And this is the reason HRC got only 14% of those votes & this is the reason Clinton will get destroyed by Rubio in a general election - The onus is on her to connect with young people. A large section looks at HRC as the same "dishonest" politician who is not a great deal better than the GOP. A lot of these people don't care about politics much, certainly have no obligation to vote

Bernie supporters are not your democratic establishment. They have independents who are the largest bloc & will decide the election. With so much money, Wall Street, media, if these independents & young voters don't give 2 sh**ts about Hillary, I don't see them voting. You can't win a GENERAL with low connection with independents, who don't care about Hillary or the GOP & consider most of them the same.

Whichever the campaign is, even if they won't vote GOP but they won't care about the Democrat candidate either - You need to connect with them. If you are thinking painting the GOP is bad will automatically get these guys to vote, you have already lost the general.

The onus is on Hillary to connect & unless you connect, you would NOT be getting these votes.

Haha, the myth that Rubio has some magical appeal to young voters continues. 
[/quote
The data says that Rubio came 2nd in 10-12 man race or whatever with 20-25% of the young voters in a state where he is expected to do bad. Clinton is Clinton, with her billions & is campaigning for 8 years & gets 14% votes against a fringe, socialist candidate. There is no indication from that data Rubio is bad with young people rather is as good as any other GOP candidate probably better than someone like Trump.

That means there is some problem with her campaign. If you want to play the game, hey Rubio is not great either, go ahead. This is the reason why the Dems are not a 50 state party & loose the house.

Rubio is decent among young voters in his target market.  My point is Clinton needs these 85% of voters who want a PROGRESSIVE - They don't want a Rubio or a right wing. But if Clinton can't connect with them, a section of them will likely stay at home & not vote.

And I think she will have a bigger problem with independents who essentially decide elections.

[Admiral Kizaru]

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

This.

Not to mention the likes of Bernie and Warren will be certainly aggressively campaigning for Clinton come the GE.

[Shadows]

CNN just called Iowa for Clinton

22-21 for her. 1 delegate will be decided by O Malley guys, so this may end up as 22-22 delegate wise.

So the young Trump voters didn't show. While the young Sanders voters turned out as well as polls expected.

Yes. Trump did really REALLY bad among young guys. Either they did not show up or his connect was over-exaggerated. Maybe Trump - Sanders have the same demographic & they went for Sanders.

Overall count for Democrats is not up to the level of expectations. Under 30 voters form 18% while 65+ form 25% plus. For Obama it was 22 or 23% of under 30. If it was 22 or 23, Sanders would have swept.

It is still a challenge, Sanders has to get a record turnout & most of the young people voting to win tough states.

[Panhandle Progressive]

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

This.

Not to mention the likes of Bernie and Warren will be certainly aggressively campaigning for Clinton come the GE.

This is the correct answer. Bernie fans, if you truly want something progressive out of this you must support Clinton in the GE so Hillary can win which will make her able to make liberal selections for the Supreme Court. This is what is at stake.

[This account no longer in use.]

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

This.

Not to mention the likes of Bernie and Warren will be certainly aggressively campaigning for Clinton come the GE.

This is the correct answer. Bernie fans, if you truly want something progressive out of this you must support Clinton in the GE so Hillary can win which will make her able to make liberal selections for the Supreme Court. This is what is at stake.

Clinton has never been progressive. Just because she's put on 'progressive' skin doesn't mean that she is progressive. As for the Supreme Court selections, I believe that the Democratic Party would be in a much better situation today if Ruth Bader Ginsburg had retired, but it seems she's too arrogant.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

According to the link on uselectionatlas It seems the raw votes are

Clinton     69,631
Sanders   69,319
O'Malley       758

So Clinton wins by around 300 votes.

These are the State Delegate Equivalent numbers multiplied by 100.  Not raw vote totals in any way, shape, or form.

Note that means each county's vote totals should sum up to a multiple of 100 (modulo rounding errors).  This is not the case in Kossuth, Hancock, or Fremont counties, where some results must have just been irretrievably lost.

I was thinking they would report this in terms of the precinct delegates.  I guess maybe the reason they don't is that some delegates are not explicitly committed??

[Panhandle Progressive]

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

This.

Not to mention the likes of Bernie and Warren will be certainly aggressively campaigning for Clinton come the GE.

This is the correct answer. Bernie fans, if you truly want something progressive out of this you must support Clinton in the GE so Hillary can win which will make her able to make liberal selections for the Supreme Court. This is what is at stake.

Clinton has never been progressive. Just because she's put on 'progressive' skin doesn't mean that she is progressive. As for the Supreme Court selections, I believe that the Democratic Party would be in a much better situation today if Ruth Bader Ginsburg had retired, but it seems she's too arrogant.

If you don't think her selections to the Supreme Court would be as progressive as possible to receive confirmation you are deluded.

[Eraserhead]

So according to the obviously imperfect entrance poll Clinton only won minority voters 58%-34%. I thought she would have performed a lot more strongly than that.

[Joe Republic]

So according to the obviously imperfect entrance poll Clinton only won minority voters 58%-34%. I thought she would have performed a lot more strongly than that.

So Hillary won Iowa's 29 minority voters, and Bernie won the other 17?

[Ebsy]

Sanders failed to reach viability in the African American precinct in Black Hawk County. I really doubt he got over 30% of Black/Latino voters.

[Panhandle Progressive]

So according to the obviously imperfect entrance poll Clinton only won minority voters 58%-34%. I thought she would have performed a lot more strongly than that.

It doesn't really matter much. This was Bernies third most favorable state demographically speaking. Not to mention that caucus states always favor the most liberal candidate. Hillary is the heir apparent. If you believe otherwise you are either a deluded Sanders supporter or a Republican who thinks one of the scrubs they have available has a real shot at the presidency.

[Eraserhead]

So according to the obviously imperfect entrance poll Clinton only won minority voters 58%-34%. I thought she would have performed a lot more strongly than that.

So Hillary won Iowa's 29 minority voters, and Bernie won the other 17?

Heh, they actually made up 9% of all voters according to the entrance poll. I was surprised it was that high.