Democratic Iowa Caucus results thread (entrance poll @8pm ET)

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Hillary by 5, waiting on one precinct. Barring something drastic, it looks like she's won. And a win is a win.

Yay! Congrats Hilldawg! Finally a Clinton has won Iowa!

On a side note, Bernie's really going to be in trouble once we start getting to closed primaries. Even in Iowa, Hillary walloped him among registered Dems.

And Clinton has no chance of winning the general seeing people who get independents are the one's who win. Coupled up with Clinton's low approval rating & disconnect with the young, looks incredibly dark for her.

A moderate GOP Candidate is very likely to win against her.

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Turnout was too low IMO but Bernie performed much better than expected among young voters & decent among independents. The numbers among young people are unreal good. Not much of a loss among women too, considering what opinion polls showed.

We need a high turnout not this moderate one's. This would have been a sweep for Bernie if we had a Obama level turnaround. . Hillary is in this for 1 year, with millions of Wall Street Money, the media & huge name recognition. Bernie needs to build a strong ground game & ensure/push for a very high turnout otherwise it will get very difficult.

You can't expect 85% of under 30 vote in each state - that's unrealistic IMO!

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lmao Bernie Bros can't even be happy with a near-tie, instead resorting to conspiracy theory nonsense.

Don't make dumb comments, win or lose issues are issues. These videos were posted in the Sanders forum way back as the caucus began. So either way there way there will be a discussion. The Sanders campaign can't be naive - I hope this lesson is received & they fight for their rights.

And they were for State Delegates as well for sure. I have heard from people 1st hand that their were ties with 9 delegates up from grabs & the toss gave the final delegate to Hillary. People who were caucusing said this way before the Media reported with details.

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The hackery here is stunning. This was a statistical tie fair and square with the final results showing Bernie just a few delegates behind her in the last minutes. I give credit to Hillary and her campaign for getting out her vote, but Bernie really was the real star here. He really did something amazing and the fact that it was this close just shows how exciting the race is to Democrats at least so far.

Bernie needed the one-two punch of victories in IA/NH to build a media narrative and gain enough momentum to be competitive considering the calendar isn't favorable to him after that. He's only going to get one of them now that Hillary has beaten him back in Iowa and NH is practically his home state. It's not enough.

The excitement for the ancient small state socialist just isn't there. I guess he's going to be an irrelevant trivia question within a couple months after all of this hype.

It does not look good for Clinton though, she looks like a sure shot looser in a general. 80% plus of young voters is unreal. You can't win an election when every year newer voters come & you have no connect with them. Very very poor with independents without which you can't win elections. A modest turnout, high votes from 65+, huge campaign money funded by Wall Street & the Clinton name & the 1 year prep & she only has what like 0.2% more than Sanders with coin flips and stuff.

I agree with you though a 1-2 in Iowa & NH would be a huge loss for Clinton & likely fall from grace. So she does hang on. Bernie, is so much the under-dog here, a virtual tie or 0.2% loss with 21-23 delegate split will not make a major difference. He will anyways be looked as the Fringe Candidate who basically got a tie in Iowa.

I would say Clinton should pray for a modest turn-out because if it goes high & young people vote, this race is over.

I don't think Bernie winning Iowa & getting 23 delegates instead of 21 would have made a huge difference. But is psychologically would be a huge loss for Hillary, with the media running the headlines about the upset of the century & what not. Huge setback for Hillary is avoided.

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A. Clinton's crew here are really...militant
B. do we have a map of Iowa with results already?

Dave is nothing if not efficient about such things:



Red Clinton, Green Sanders.

But here's the amusing part; compare with 2008...



Red Clinton, Green Obama, Blue Edwards

Thanks - Clinton got 75-80% of Edwards votes, contrary to perception Bernie probably does better in the rural & outer areas maybe? Big concentration of support from Clinton

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wtf at saying Clinton won't win the youth vote in the general because they backed Sanders here.

20% of Sander supporters have already said that they won't vote for Clinton as per polls so far.

And Sanders also has a strong independent backing who will never support a phony, corrupt candidate like Clinton. Clinton does very poorly among independents, has very low favorability among the general & is considered dishonest by the youth

They won't vote. You will go back to seeing 80% of the youth not voting in the elections & a section of the  independents not voting or voting GOP. Hillary is not electable in a general

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wtf at saying Clinton won't win the youth vote in the general because they backed Sanders here.

20% of Sander supporters have already said that they won't vote for Clinton as per polls so far.

And Sanders also has a strong independent backing who will never support a phony, corrupt candidate like Clinton. Clinton does very poorly among independents, has very low favorability among the general & is considered dishonest by the youth

They won't vote. You will go back to seeing 80% of the youth not voting in the elections & a section of the  independents not voting or voting GOP. Hillary is not electable in a general

lmao go back to Reddit

A very intelligent comment. Not unsurprising coming from a Trump supporter, your very high level of Intelligence is a given.

wtf at saying Clinton won't win the youth vote in the general because they backed Sanders here.

20% of Sander supporters have already said that they won't vote for Clinton as per polls so far.

And Sanders also has a strong independent backing who will never support a phony, corrupt candidate like Clinton. Clinton does very poorly among independents, has very low favorability among the general & is considered dishonest by the youth

They won't vote. You will go back to seeing 80% of the youth not voting in the elections & a section of the  independents not voting or voting GOP. Hillary is not electable in a general

In other words, young white people are cry babies and want to have their cake and eat it too? It is known.

The issue is you can't win a general unless you connect with the independents who are the largest bloc & you need some "young votes", not when you are getting a horrible 14%. The onus is up to Hillary to connect with young voters & independents & expand the democrat vote share.

Look you can not depend on 65+ demographic & the 20-25% strong democrat base to win you a general, you can't. Hillary should pray Trump gets elected - if Rubio is elected, Clinton is in deep trouble!

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18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

Not really. Young people are a lot more less compromising & idealistic than olders. And this is the reason HRC got only 14% of those votes & this is the reason Clinton will get destroyed by Rubio in a general election - The onus is on her to connect with young people. A large section looks at HRC as the same "dishonest" politician who is not a great deal better than the GOP. A lot of these people don't care about politics much, certainly have no obligation to vote

Bernie supporters are not your democratic establishment. They have independents who are the largest bloc & will decide the election. With so much money, Wall Street, media, if these independents & young voters don't give 2 sh**ts about Hillary, I don't see them voting. You can't win a GENERAL with low connection with independents, who don't care about Hillary or the GOP & consider most of them the same.

You need to connect with them. If you are thinking painting the GOP is bad will automatically get these guys to vote, you have already lost the general. The onus is on Hillary to connect & unless you connect, you would NOT be getting these votes.

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18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

Not really. Young people are a lot more less compromising & idealistic than olders. And this is the reason HRC got only 14% of those votes & this is the reason Clinton will get destroyed by Rubio in a general election - The onus is on her to connect with young people. A large section looks at HRC as the same "dishonest" politician who is not a great deal better than the GOP. A lot of these people don't care about politics much, certainly have no obligation to vote

Bernie supporters are not your democratic establishment. They have independents who are the largest bloc & will decide the election. With so much money, Wall Street, media, if these independents & young voters don't give 2 sh**ts about Hillary, I don't see them voting. You can't win a GENERAL with low connection with independents, who don't care about Hillary or the GOP & consider most of them the same.

Whichever the campaign is, even if they won't vote GOP but they won't care about the Democrat candidate either - You need to connect with them. If you are thinking painting the GOP is bad will automatically get these guys to vote, you have already lost the general.

The onus is on Hillary to connect & unless you connect, you would NOT be getting these votes.

Haha, the myth that Rubio has some magical appeal to young voters continues. 
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The data says that Rubio came 2nd in 10-12 man race or whatever with 20-25% of the young voters in a state where he is expected to do bad. Clinton is Clinton, with her billions & is campaigning for 8 years & gets 14% votes against a fringe, socialist candidate. There is no indication from that data Rubio is bad with young people rather is as good as any other GOP candidate probably better than someone like Trump.

That means there is some problem with her campaign. If you want to play the game, hey Rubio is not great either, go ahead. This is the reason why the Dems are not a 50 state party & loose the house.

Rubio is decent among young voters in his target market.  My point is Clinton needs these 85% of voters who want a PROGRESSIVE - They don't want a Rubio or a right wing. But if Clinton can't connect with them, a section of them will likely stay at home & not vote.

And I think she will have a bigger problem with independents who essentially decide elections.

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18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

Not really. Young people are a lot more less compromising & idealistic than olders. And this is the reason HRC got only 14% of those votes & this is the reason Clinton will get destroyed by Rubio in a general election - The onus is on her to connect with young people. A large section looks at HRC as the same "dishonest" politician who is not a great deal better than the GOP. A lot of these people don't care about politics much, certainly have no obligation to vote

Bernie supporters are not your democratic establishment. They have independents who are the largest bloc & will decide the election. With so much money, Wall Street, media, if these independents & young voters don't give 2 sh**ts about Hillary, I don't see them voting. You can't win a GENERAL with low connection with independents, who don't care about Hillary or the GOP & consider most of them the same.

Whichever the campaign is, even if they won't vote GOP but they won't care about the Democrat candidate either - You need to connect with them. If you are thinking painting the GOP is bad will automatically get these guys to vote, you have already lost the general.

The onus is on Hillary to connect & unless you connect, you would NOT be getting these votes.

Haha, the myth that Rubio has some magical appeal to young voters continues. 
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The data says that Rubio came 2nd in 10-12 man race or whatever with 20-25% of the young voters in a state where he is expected to do bad. Clinton is Clinton, with her billions & is campaigning for 8 years & gets 14% votes against a fringe, socialist candidate. There is no indication from that data Rubio is bad with young people rather is as good as any other GOP candidate probably better than someone like Trump.

That means there is some problem with her campaign. If you want to play the game, hey Rubio is not great either, go ahead. This is the reason why the Dems are not a 50 state party & loose the house.

Rubio is decent among young voters in his target market.  My point is Clinton needs these 85% of voters who want a PROGRESSIVE - They don't want a Rubio or a right wing. But if Clinton can't connect with them, a section of them will likely stay at home & not vote.

And I think she will have a bigger problem with independents who essentially decide elections.

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CNN just called Iowa for Clinton

22-21 for her. 1 delegate will be decided by O Malley guys, so this may end up as 22-22 delegate wise.

So the young Trump voters didn't show. While the young Sanders voters turned out as well as polls expected.

Yes. Trump did really REALLY bad among young guys. Either they did not show up or his connect was over-exaggerated. Maybe Trump - Sanders have the same demographic & they went for Sanders.

Overall count for Democrats is not up to the level of expectations. Under 30 voters form 18% while 65+ form 25% plus. For Obama it was 22 or 23% of under 30. If it was 22 or 23, Sanders would have swept.

It is still a challenge, Sanders has to get a record turnout & most of the young people voting to win tough states.