Liberals: Should parents be prohibited from teaching their kids the Bible?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

While I don't think this is a good ruling, I find it hard to feel outraged by it.  If the ruling prohibited parents from teaching their kids the Bible, liberals will nod and think of it as acceptable, and the media will mostly ignore it.

reading this idiotic strawman argument got me so pissed off. URGH!

[TheresNoMoney]

Of course not. That's a ridiculous statement typical of the far right.

[Richard]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20031105-122726-4541r.htm

[Jake]

Obviously they should since few true liberals practice what the Bible says. Also, the Bible is believed in by tons of people, earning itself the title of the mainstream religion in the US. Meaning it should be protected in ways that a Pagan religion or some cook who calls himself god should not be.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Most liberals are Christians if you look at the stats. Since about 86% of America is Christian and it's obvious that not all of that 14% is liberal (KEmperor), it would obviously stand that most liberals are Christian.

Also, the Bible is believed in by tons of people, earning itself the title of the mainstream religion in the US. Meaning it should be protected in ways that a Pagan religion or some cook who calls himself god should not be.

there's a little thing called the First Amendment that doesn't agree.

[MissCatholic]

Absolutely not. Its a parents right to decide how to raise them. When i become a parent how i chose to raise my child is off no persons buisness.

If you choose to home school them then do so. If you choose to promote the bible in your home then fine. ITS BETTER THAT ITS DONE AT HOME THAN  SCHOOL.

[Richard]

Most liberals are Christians if you look at the stats. Since about 86% of America is Christian

Bull.

[TomC]

since few true liberals practice what the Bible says

Wrong. The confusion here is that many liberals have actually made it to the New Testament. And we can recognize that Jesus' teaching tell us that The Old Testament was wrong on a number of accounts.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Most liberals are Christians if you look at the stats. Since about 86% of America is Christian

Bull.

well I was incorrect, the 86% figure is that of peopel who have any type of religion. However, the total percentage of Christians in the US is 77%. That's a pretty overwhelming number, thus it would stand that most liberals are Christian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Religion

[J.R. Brown]

Obviously they should since few true liberals practice what the Bible says. Also, the Bible is believed in by tons of people, earning itself the title of the mainstream religion in the US. Meaning it should be protected in ways that a Pagan religion or some cook who calls himself god should not be.

I'm a liberal Christian who believes that laws put in place here on Earth by the federal government won't save people. While I believe that abortion is immoral, I also believe that a law against it won't prevent people from finding a way to do it (in an unsafe way) or someday not loving their children or possibly murdering them. Abortion is a personal and moral decision that should be left up to the individual. Instead of makeing laws, Christians should guide and not dictate and Christians should teach , not chastise.

I also believe that prayer in school should not be mandatory for all students in public schools, you can't force God on people, they will run away. I know I did at a very young age. However, the option of school prayer should be left open to all students as a before or after school program or an event at school activities. As long as it doesn't interfere with learning. I believe kids will find out about these programs on their own, thus will find God on their own spiritual journey.

Conservative Christians, some people don't like to be forced into a spiritual journey, some do in their own time on their own.

Liberal secularists, you can't argue the 1st amendment you don't allow people to practice their religion wherever they want.

Peace.

[Richard]

well I was incorrect, the 86% figure is that of peopel who have any type of religion. However, the total percentage of Christians in the US is 77%. That's a pretty overwhelming number, thus it would stand that most liberals are Christian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Religion

So if people ask me if I'm a socialist and I say "yes" then I'm a socialist?  Dear little boy, let us teach you one thing today: just because someone say they are something does not mean they are that something.  Actions speak louder than words.

[Richard]

I'm a liberal Christian who believes that laws put in place here on Earth by the federal government won't save people. While I believe that abortion is immoral, I also believe that a law against it won't prevent people from finding a way to do it (in an unsafe way) or someday not loving their children or possibly murdering them. Abortion is a personal and moral decision that should be left up to the individual. Instead of makeing laws, Christians should guide and not dictate and Christians should teach , not chastise.

I always enjoy reading about Christians or "Christians" that say that they believe abortion is murder, but that it should be a personal decision.  Do you think murder should also be a personal decision?  Do you think Christians should just say "thou shalt not murder" and not dictate the terms through government laws as in, if you kill someone you will be executed (or sent to prison for life)?

Come now, sir.  You should be smarter than that.  Certain laws must be forced onto people in order to maintain people's rights and freedoms.  Murder is such a law.  That includes abortion.  No one has the freedom to murder an innocent child that pose no threat to them.  It is not a personal choice, and it is certainly not something a real Christian would sit idly by and "guide" instead of speaking out against it directly.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

well I was incorrect, the 86% figure is that of peopel who have any type of religion. However, the total percentage of Christians in the US is 77%. That's a pretty overwhelming number, thus it would stand that most liberals are Christian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Religion

So if people ask me if I'm a socialist and I say "yes" then I'm a socialist?  Dear little boy, let us teach you one thing today: just because someone say they are something does not mean they are that something.  Actions speak louder than words.

no, but you'd be lying because you don't consider yourself a socialist and don't believe in socialism in any way.

[J.R. Brown]

well I was incorrect, the 86% figure is that of peopel who have any type of religion. However, the total percentage of Christians in the US is 77%. That's a pretty overwhelming number, thus it would stand that most liberals are Christian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Religion

So if people ask me if I'm a socialist and I say "yes" then I'm a socialist?  Dear little boy, let us teach you one thing today: just because someone say they are something does not mean they are that something.  Actions speak louder than words.

I'm a liberal Christian who believes that laws put in place here on Earth by the federal government won't save people. While I believe that abortion is immoral, I also believe that a law against it won't prevent people from finding a way to do it (in an unsafe way) or someday not loving their children or possibly murdering them. Abortion is a personal and moral decision that should be left up to the individual. Instead of makeing laws, Christians should guide and not dictate and Christians should teach , not chastise.

I always enjoy reading about Christians or "Christians" that say that they believe abortion is murder, but that it should be a personal decision. Do you think murder should also be a personal decision? Do you think Christians should just say "thou shalt not murder" and not dictate the terms through government laws as in, if you kill someone you will be executed (or sent to prison for life)?

Come now, sir. You should be smarter than that. Certain laws must be forced onto people in order to maintain people's rights and freedoms. Murder is such a law. That includes abortion. No one has the freedom to murder an innocent child that pose no threat to them. It is not a personal choice, and it is certainly not something a real Christian would sit idly by and "guide" instead of speaking out against it directly.

Do you believe that abortion would stop if their was a law? And do you believe people are truly saved or sorry for what they have done if you tell them to be sorry?

[J.R. Brown]

I'm a liberal Christian who believes that laws put in place here on Earth by the federal government won't save people. While I believe that abortion is immoral, I also believe that a law against it won't prevent people from finding a way to do it (in an unsafe way) or someday not loving their children or possibly murdering them. Abortion is a personal and moral decision that should be left up to the individual. Instead of makeing laws, Christians should guide and not dictate and Christians should teach , not chastise.

I always enjoy reading about Christians or "Christians" that say that they believe abortion is murder, but that it should be a personal decision. Do you think murder should also be a personal decision? Do you think Christians should just say "thou shalt not murder" and not dictate the terms through government laws as in, if you kill someone you will be executed (or sent to prison for life)?

Come now, sir. You should be smarter than that. Certain laws must be forced onto people in order to maintain people's rights and freedoms. Murder is such a law. That includes abortion. No one has the freedom to murder an innocent child that pose no threat to them. It is not a personal choice, and it is certainly not something a real Christian would sit idly by and "guide" instead of speaking out against it directly.

By the way, execution is murder, with vengance. Lock them up and let them repent.

[Richard]

Do you believe that abortion would stop if their was a law? And do you believe people are truly saved or sorry for what they have done if you tell them to be sorry?

No sir, I do not believe abortion would stop.  Just like murders are committed today even though it is illegal, people will still persue abortions, illegal or not.

I am not sure what you mean by the second part of your post.

[Richard]

no, but you'd be lying because you don't consider yourself a socialist and don't believe in socialism in any way.

Bad word.  I honestly consider myself a PROGRESSIVE.  Do you think that would mean I'm a progressive in today's liberal monopoly sense on the word?

[J.R. Brown]

Richius, Do you believe moral decisions are personal choices or should they be dictated? And don't throw murder in my face. Obviously, people who murder are making a personal choice. They are unstable human beings and that is why they are locked up. So, they don't hurt anyone else. That is where we help them to repent.

People who commit to an abortion do it out of desperation, like some murders. I've never heard of a serial abortionist who gets pregnant just to have an abortion. Obviously, that person would be locked up.

And don't question my faith.

[Jake]

since few true liberals practice what the Bible says

Wrong. The confusion here is that many liberals have actually made it to the New Testament. And we can recognize that Jesus' teaching tell us that The Old Testament was wrong on a number of accounts.

So do we turn the cheek to Al-Qaida or the Japanese?

[Richard]

Richius, Do you believe moral decisions are personal choices or should they be dictated?

Both.

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No sir, you are not right. While it may be true in some cases, many murders are commited for the simple reason of money.  It does not take an unstable being to murder another one.  A very rational person can sit down, look at his situation in a logical way, and realize he can optimize his wealth by killing his partner in crime (for example).  He can then retire.

You do not lock someone up so that they can repent; you lock them up solely to protect society and for punishment.  If neither is appropiate, a jail sentence should not be served.

That is why murderers need to be executed.  I do have a hypothetical question for you though.  Suppose someone killed his partner in crime.  Both are guilty, but the authorities do not know that.  Under your system, you would lock him up for rehab, not for punishment, right?  If you could see into the future and know 100% for sure that he will never ever kill another human, would you still lock him up?

I would still execute him because that is the appropiate punishment.

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I'm not concerned with how many times they murder before it starts to be wrong.  I'm also not concerned with their motives.  Murder deserves death.

[J.R. Brown]

Richius, Are you a sinner?

[phk]

I'd teach my kid that religion is bad. but thats about it.

[Richard]

Richius, Are you a sinner?

Absolutely.  I excel in that.

[TheresNoMoney]

Christianity is mainly used as a political tool nowadays by the right.

Very sad to see the right-wingers try to "out-Christian" each other and use McCarthyism on those who don't march in lockstep with their God Dubya.

[Palefire]

Christianity is mainly used as a political tool nowadays by the right.

Very sad to see the right-wingers try to "out-Christian" each other and use McCarthyism on those who don't march in lockstep with their God Dubya.

The first part of your statement I disagree strongly with.

The second part, however, sounds dead on. The bible has been wielded and misused as a weapon for a very long time. Roving bands of young Republicans bible thumping in political chat sites is the norm these days. I'm fairly certain it provides them with a sense of superiority and self righteousness that would other wise be missing from their young lives.