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« on: February 06, 2016, 10:57:25 AM »

So the media mogul says on twitter.
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2016, 10:58:33 AM »

Since when is John Kerry "new blood"?
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2016, 11:00:10 AM »
« Edited: February 06, 2016, 11:02:17 AM by Torie »


Well that was my term, as in new as a candidate, rather than new on the political stage. Rupert used the word "replacement."

If Hillary tanks, I really don't see myself, how Sanders can just be kicked to the curb at this point. That would really, really enrage his supporters, and I don't see how someone new could put together a campaign at this point, and just roll over Sanders.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2016, 11:00:25 AM »

This won't happen.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2016, 11:04:14 AM »

Kerry is a good guy but he won't win. The most likely replacement for Hillary would be Joe Biden.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2016, 11:06:39 AM »
« Edited: February 06, 2016, 11:09:17 AM by Shadows »

I think it's too late for Biden to come in but he would be the option & not Kerry. But at this point  it would make the process look rigged  & cause a big problem Sanders supporters.

Biden is going hard against Hillary & especially her Wall Street & Super PACS & implying she is "Bought" , He is in a way supporting Sanders -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d12_XpymTB8
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2016, 11:08:42 AM »

Might be a little late... If they're going to draft an old white dude, though, they'd better pick my boy Jerry Brown, so he can be a pain in the Clintons' butts one last time. I know that if it's anyone, it's Biden, but still.

Rupert Murdoch, though. Not exactly a reliable source for coverage of the Democratic race...
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2016, 12:06:38 PM »

Those guys are just hoping Hillary gets beaten because they think Sanders will be an easier opponent.  Wishful thinking, not analysis.  She won't prevail in New Hampshire, but won Iowa and stands good chances in Nevada and in the Super Tuesday states, so forecasting her doom at this point is fairly premature. 

But, then again, in '08 the Pubs thought Obama would be easier to beat than Hillary too...didn't turn out so well for them. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2016, 12:10:11 PM »

Is he the same Rupert Murdoch who predicted that America would be destroyed when Obama was reelected?
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2016, 12:10:35 PM »

Those guys are just hoping Hillary gets beaten because they think Sanders will be an easier opponent.  Wishful thinking, not analysis.  She won't prevail in New Hampshire, but won Iowa and stands good chances in Nevada and in the Super Tuesday states, so forecasting her doom at this point is fairly premature. 

But, then again, in '08 the Pubs thought Obama would be easier to beat than Hillary too...didn't turn out so well for them. 

Unless the FBI recommends an indictment. That is something more than a remote possibility. Absent that, it is still barely possible for Sanders to win I think, if he can cut into the minority vote. We shall have to wait until SC to see if he is getting any traction there. But if that new national poll showing both candidates close to each other is even remotely right (Hillary is taking a lot of water taking big money from big finance, and now is resisting releasing transcripts of her speeches at Goldman Sachs), Sanders is in fact making some progress in cutting into the minority vote.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2016, 12:20:01 PM »


The nice thing about twitter is that not only aren't you required to defend or explain anything you post, but also you're not allowed to.

Anyway, if she tanks Sanders becomes the nominee.  Seems simple.  (Why John Kerry?!)  Tank won't be about that email breeches, if it happens.  Eyes just glaze over when the talking heads start talking about it.  It's too boring.  Even the rabid dogs who scrawl Hillary For Prison everywhere don't understand, and don't care to understand, the problem.  As for the people who might care about such things (A.G. Lynch, for example), they will kick that can down the road and let it be someone else's problem since they don't want to be associated with the inconvenient timing of the problem.

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2016, 12:27:06 PM »

Murdoch is SLAD.
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2016, 12:34:06 PM »


Well that was my term, as in new as a candidate, rather than new on the political stage. Rupert used the word "replacement."

If Hillary tanks, I really don't see myself, how Sanders can just be kicked to the curb at this point. That would really, really enrage his supporters, and I don't see how someone new could put together a campaign at this point, and just roll over Sanders.

He definitely can't - Not without pissing off Millennials and backlash from some of the most active groups of people in the party. It would be incredibly shortsighted and dumb, for several reasons, to try and roll out some other guy who isn't even in the race at this point in time.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2016, 12:34:33 PM »


The nice thing about twitter is that not only aren't you required to defend or explain anything you post, but also you're not allowed to.

Anyway, if she tanks Sanders becomes the nominee.  Seems simple.  (Why John Kerry?!)  Tank won't be about that email breeches, if it happens.  Eyes just glaze over when the talking heads start talking about it.  It's too boring.  Even the rabid dogs who scrawl Hillary For Prison everywhere don't understand, and don't care to understand, the problem.  As for the people who might care about such things (A.G. Lynch, for example), they will kick that can down the road and let it be someone else's problem since they don't want to be associated with the inconvenient timing of the problem.



An FBI referral recommending indictment should be enough to derail Hillary. So the ball is not entirely in the AG's court on this one.
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2016, 12:44:20 PM »

I dare them! Sanders would smash Kerry.
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2016, 12:44:29 PM »

The Democrats have no one to blame for themselves, being put in a position of having to choose between someone who is being actively investigated by the FBI and a 74 year old "democratic socialist" who isn't really a Democrat.  They really do have a need to "airlift" a candidate in order to have a viable Plan B, because Sanders, as much as I like him on a personal level, is too far left to be a viable candidate, and Hillary Clinton is analogous to the Richard Nixon of 1973 (not 1972).  

Biden is the only one who could fill the mantle adequately in this sense.  As for a running mate, I would recommend Amy Kloubachar.  This way, the Democrats would at least be sending their A Team.  I can't believe that they are in the position they are in, but they allowed it by thinking that they "owed" Hillary, or that they "owed" the Feminist Left a female candidate.  What will the Feminist Left think if Cathy McMorris-Rodgers is a heartbeat away from the Oval Office this time next year?
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2016, 12:48:46 PM »


The nice thing about twitter is that not only aren't you required to defend or explain anything you post, but also you're not allowed to.

Anyway, if she tanks Sanders becomes the nominee.  Seems simple.  (Why John Kerry?!)  Tank won't be about that email breeches, if it happens.  Eyes just glaze over when the talking heads start talking about it.  It's too boring.  Even the rabid dogs who scrawl Hillary For Prison everywhere don't understand, and don't care to understand, the problem.  As for the people who might care about such things (A.G. Lynch, for example), they will kick that can down the road and let it be someone else's problem since they don't want to be associated with the inconvenient timing of the problem.



An FBI referral recommending indictment should be enough to derail Hillary. So the ball is not entirely in the AG's court on this one.

If she is still alive by then, right?

(sorry, couldn't resist)
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2016, 12:50:39 PM »

Smiley She does look quite healthy, but she's getting fat again.
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2016, 01:02:23 PM »

An FBI referral recommending indictment should be enough to derail Hillary. So the ball is not entirely in the AG's court on this one.

That would be dicey, I suppose.  I've read that they have put 100 agents on the case full time.  Even if that happens, she claims to be an innocent victim.  She gets sympathy.  It's all about gaining delegates.  Sure, maybe the big donors get scared off, and maybe a few of the unpledged PLEO to the DNC think tice, but a number of them were somehow put off by Sanders' legislative agenda to begin with, and those are really the only two viable candidates.  I guess and indictment might cause a hasty recruitment of Kerry or Biden or someone like that, but it would all look very silly, and it still comes down to a fight between Clinton and Sanders. 

I'm sure I wouldn't want to be in Obama's justice department if an indictment request comes to them.  That's a lose-lose situation for them, and I'm sure that they'll do their best to delay any decision for as long as possible if the FBI does recommend an indictment.  I know I would in their shoes.

I say leave it to the voters.  I don't trust Hillary Clinton at all, and in fact I loathe her brand of cynicism and exploitation--I certainly can't imagine ever voting for her--but if a plurality of my fellow Americans want her to be president, then we should get what we deserve.  Anyway, an indictment doesn't bar someone from being president, unless I misunderstand the presumption of innocence. 
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2016, 01:09:03 PM »

No an indictment does not render Hillary ineligible as a legal matter. I can see perhaps Hillary surviving the primary if the FBI recommends, and the AG rejects (that still would be very toxic for Hillary in the General). I have trouble seeing how she can make it, if the FBI recommends, and the AG is still pondering the matter up to the date of the nomination decision.
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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2016, 03:30:41 PM »

okay.  What does Obama do if the FBI pursues the indictment with the DOJ?

Does he say, "Look, I'm sorry madame secretary, but I can't just ignore this.  If you suspend the campaign, I'll tell Loretta to back off."  Does he say, "Loretta, just sit on this till after November.  If she wins, then she can pardon herself after inauguration day."  Does he say, "Damn, that crazy white bitch.  WTF was she thinking.  I gotta have a smoke.  I know one thing, I'm not going to let this be my legacy.  We're going to be on Hillary like stink on shit, and we're going to make sure she hangs.  We'll distance ourselves from her and her stench as much as possible.  Get me my press secretary.  Now!"
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« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2016, 03:59:38 PM »

Because we all know Murdoch is an unimpeachable authority when it comes to Democratic politics.
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