Will Rubio's "let's dispel with this fiction" gaffe become his "Oops" moment?
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« on: February 07, 2016, 01:30:59 AM »
« edited: February 07, 2016, 01:33:09 AM by #TheShadowyAbyss »

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2016, 01:31:36 AM »

More like his "oops" moment.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2016, 01:32:18 AM »


Agreed. Dean Scream didn't actually kill Dean's candidacy. The oops moment almost certainly killed Perry's. This will kill Rubio's candidacy.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2016, 01:35:38 AM »


Agreed. Dean Scream didn't actually kill Dean's candidacy. The oops moment almost certainly killed Perry's. This will kill Rubio's candidacy.

Well, it might have not DIRECTLY killed his campaign, the resulting negative media coverage helped to do that.
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2016, 01:40:32 AM »


Agreed. Dean Scream didn't actually kill Dean's candidacy. The oops moment almost certainly killed Perry's. This will kill Rubio's candidacy.

Well, it might have no DIRECTLY killed his campaign, the resulting negative media coverage helped to do that.

I really don't get this myth. Dean was already in a downward spiral when the "scream" happened. He was supposed to win Iowa and he came third. He was already trailing in the polls in NH. The idea that the scream killed his campaign is a complete a posteriori reconstruction.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2016, 01:51:10 AM »

While this was a pretty pathetic moment from Rubio it just doesn't have nearly the utter level of embarrassment that comes with "Oops". This was a bit worse in the sense in that it was a truly unforced error but it just doesn't have the replayability and the simple premise that made the Oops moment such a catastrophe for Perry.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2016, 01:52:16 AM »


Agreed. Dean Scream didn't actually kill Dean's candidacy. The oops moment almost certainly killed Perry's. This will kill Rubio's candidacy.

Perry was already well on the decline prior to Oops. That just sealed his fate. The same was true of Dean.

This is somewhat different because Rubio was actually on an upward trajectory.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2016, 03:17:04 AM »


Agreed. Dean Scream didn't actually kill Dean's candidacy. The oops moment almost certainly killed Perry's. This will kill Rubio's candidacy.

Perry was already well on the decline prior to Oops. That just sealed his fate. The same was true of Dean.

This is somewhat different because Rubio was actually on an upward trajectory.

OK, so maybe it's his version of Hillary Clinton's "illegal immigrant driver's licenses", with Chris Christie in the role of Chris Dodd?  Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2016, 04:04:13 AM »

I do not think it is a bad as the "oops" moment.  Being exposed as mindlessly regurgitating talking points is certainly embarrassing, but not as bad as not even being able to REMEMBER them.

Make no mistake -- this is a painful self-inflicted blow to Rubio which is damaging to his chances.  But I would not describe it as career ending.
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2016, 04:16:06 AM »

I do not think it is a bad as the "oops" moment.  Being exposed as mindlessly regurgitating talking points is certainly embarrassing, but not as bad as not even being able to REMEMBER them.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2016, 04:16:18 AM »

What helps Rubio, if anything, is that unlike Perry's 'oops', Rubio's stuff-up needs to be explained and given context.
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2016, 04:39:58 AM »

We need to dispel with this fiction that Marco Rubio didn't know what he's doing. He knew exactly what he's doing.
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2016, 08:45:03 AM »

What helps Rubio, if anything, is that unlike Perry's 'oops', Rubio's stuff-up needs to be explained and given context.

Christie wraps it up nicely at the end of most of the 30-second replays we're seeing ("There it is!"). No additional context is necessary.

Perhaps more importantly, this doesn't need to damage Rubio that much among voters if it changes how the media and certain party insiders interpret his candidacy. Even if we assume that he does about as well as he seemed likely to do before the debate, will he be able to get away with claiming 20% and second place as a victory because he's the only candidate who's treated as a credible nominee? That's looking more doubtful.
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2016, 09:23:21 AM »

Pretty bad muck-up for Rubio, for sure.  It's how it will effect his results in New Hampshire and the next few states that will tell the story.  If he can't recover, it will be his "oops" moment.
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2016, 09:57:25 AM »

What helps Rubio, if anything, is that unlike Perry's 'oops', Rubio's stuff-up needs to be explained and given context.

It can be chopped down to a brutal 2-minute youtube clip without losing any impact.
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2016, 10:01:50 AM »

On Atlas, yes. In reality, no.
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2016, 10:08:11 AM »

No, it doesn't come close to the embarrassment of the "Oops" moment. This looks bad to people who are at least moderately politically involved. "Oops" looked terrible to everyone.
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2016, 10:10:02 AM »

It won't have the same effect, because Rubio is in such a great position right now that he could end up winning the nomination anyway. It certainly hurts his chances, though, and it convinces me that Hillary would most likely crush him in the general election.
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2016, 11:57:02 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2016, 12:24:14 PM »

The Dean Scream probably hurt Edwards more than Dean. Dean was already mortally wounded by his third place finish, but it did suck up all the media time Edwards would've benefited from.

Oops is a better analogy, except as noted Perry had already deflated when that occurred and was no longer the flavor of the month. It did kill any possibility of a comeback and prevent him from being a "backup" anti-Romney though. Will Rubio be hurt that badly? We'll have to see the polls.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2016, 12:30:17 PM »

No, it doesn't come close to the embarrassment of the "Oops" moment. This looks bad to people who are at least moderately politically involved. "Oops" looked terrible to everyone.
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2016, 02:53:01 PM »

What helps Rubio, if anything, is that unlike Perry's 'oops', Rubio's stuff-up needs to be explained and given context.

Not really. Just show the cuts to the 4 times he said it with time captions to show it was 4 different times. Youtube videos already do that.
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2016, 06:37:58 PM »

What makes this a gaffe?
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2016, 06:45:40 PM »


Agreed, in this electorate it seems like reversing Hanlon's Razor gets further than obeying it...this seems especially true with the Republican base.
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2016, 07:08:45 PM »


Agreed, in this electorate it seems like reversing Hanlon's Razor gets further than obeying it...this seems especially true with the Republican base.


No, I'm actually in the dark about this. I watched the debate, heard the "Obama bad on purpose" vs. "Obama bad by accident" argument, thought nothing about it at the time or since, and then came here like an hour ago, and there are all sorts of comments about how Rubio said this thing which is going to ruin his campaign. What is the argument that this is a gaffe? That he gave Obama credit for not being clueless, even if it was still a form of criticism?
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