Hillaryunleashes her latest watchdog - Bill Clinton - It is getting ugly

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Oh, poor Bernie! That old, mean Bill Clinton criticized him for presenting a BS health care plan and for calling everyone who disagrees with him an establishment tool that is bought and paid by Wall Street.

Hillary isn't part of  the establishment? Hillary isn't bought a knob f paid by wall street?

Yeah, he's not calling Ron Paul part of the establishment and a knob of Wall Street despite disagreeing with him on most issues.

[Shadows]

Maybe he senses Clinton dynasty rule is about to collapse. Monarchs have often got paranoid & given outrageous statements on the prospect of loosing power.

I don't think any former President has disgraced himself on the campaign trail in 2007 & now like Bill has. This would not help - I hope Hillary supporters realize this. This will only make her look more like a bad person!

[Landslide Lyndon]

Oh look, the Three Stooges came to the rescue!

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

New Hampshire is 3000 miles away, and yet I can smell the desperation here.

Even Sanders came out and criticized his wacky supporters for their behavior, so it's not like there is even a question that those people have gone too far. Sanders supporters are absolutely crazy and will be his downfall in a race he had little chance of winning anyway.

I've seen a lot more crazy Hillary supporters.

What about when you look in a mirror?

[Averroës Nix]

I believe the appropriate phrase for outbursts like this one is "sweating like a dog."

[Gass3268]

I believe the appropriate phrase for outbursts like this one is "sweating like a dog."

Yup, this race in many ways is starting to feel a lot like 2008. That being said, if I was the Clinton campaign I would put Bill in charge. Every behind the scenes thing I've read about 08 or this year's campaign is that the Clinton camp has in both cases underestimated their opponent, except Bill. Also this year Bill was the first person to say that the campaign needed to start putting resources into states past the first 4. 

[Virginiá]

He has some points. Sanders is just promising the world to his base with no real plan of how to actually get it done - Especially with a very high likelihood of having a Republican House at the very least. A 'revolution' is just a cop-out - It's like Republicans saying trickle-down economics will eventually produce some meager wealth for the plebeians at the bottom. They have no idea when, or even IF the commoners will benefit from the wealthy's tax breaks, but they do it anyway. Likewise, Sanders has no earthly idea IF his little revolution will even happen (it most likely will not), but he goes ahead and promises everything to his base anyway to further his own goals.

If you ask me, he is doing the people a disservice. If he were to get elected, his supporters will realize relatively quick that he can't deliver at all and will probably become disillusioned for some years - Let down because they were convinced by Sanders that he could get so much done even with everything around him pointing to it not happening.

[Torie]

Bill's rants seem singularly ineffective to me. I don't see his taking off the gloves as changing many votes, and it may cost Hillary some as to those who like both candidates personally. That is why in general both Bernie and Hillary avoid the personal attacks. I am not sure why Hillary sees the need for this unless she is panicking for some reason.

[Shadows]

He has some points. Sanders is just promising the world to his base with no real plan of how to actually get it done - Especially with a very high likelihood of having a Republican House at the very least. A 'revolution' is just a cop-out - It's like Republicans saying trickle-down economics will eventually produce some meager wealth for the plebeians at the bottom. They have no idea when, or even IF the commoners will benefit from the wealthy's tax breaks, but they do it anyway. Likewise, Sanders has no earthly idea IF his little revolution will even happen (it most likely will not), but he goes ahead and promises everything to his base anyway to further his own goals.

If you ask me, he is doing the people a disservice. If he were to get elected, his supporters will realize relatively quick that he can't deliver at all and will probably become disillusioned for some years - Let down because they were convinced by Sanders that he could get so much done even with everything around him pointing to it not happening.

He has already given all details which IMO are pretty pessimistic. His IT increases on income above 250K with the small payroll taxes on everyone will raise more than enough for Healthcare. Go read his tax brackets from 39% to 52%.

And you will be shocked to read the extent of Wall Street Derivative Market, Google it, Huge, College tuition fees is nothing, it can be PAY for much MUCH more.

This is one of my problems with Hillary, she is cheating the public, I will also give paid & family leave but I would not support Bernie's 1.61$ per week bill. I will give healthcare & college affordable.

How - Tax on rich? How much ? What will be the tax brackets, how much are you getting, where is it going, a very dishonest person with such fake talk attempting to cheat people!

I don't know how Hillary fans support it, unless they are paid

[Ebsy]

Shadows, why do you think you can get away with just posting factually incorrect information in a constant drumbeat of barely comprehensible rants?

[Virginiá]

He has already given all details which IMO are pretty pessimistic. His IT increases on income above 250K with the small payroll taxes on everyone will raise more than enough for Healthcare. Go read his tax brackets from 39% to 52%.

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No. I was talking about how he plans to actually get his proposals passed in a divided or GOP Congress. You completely misinterpreted my post.

[indysaff]

He has already given all details which IMO are pretty pessimistic. His IT increases on income above 250K with the small payroll taxes on everyone will raise more than enough for Healthcare. Go read his tax brackets from 39% to 52%.

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No. I was talking about how he plans to actually get his proposals passed in a divided or GOP Congress. You completely misinterpreted my post.

He's worked across the aisle with Republicans on a few issues, but to be fair I don't see Bernie or Hillary being successful at pushing anything through Congress if it's still divided.

[Virginiá]

He's worked across the aisle with Republicans on a few issues, but to be fair I don't see Bernie or Hillary being successful at pushing anything through Congress if it's still divided.

For Clinton and the best situation with a divided Congress, the most I can see is possibly some mediocre form of paid leave - Something clearly recognizable as having been tainted by pro-business conservative politicians, though. Anything else would likely be small in both nature and impact on the budget (including infrastructure dev)

While I agree Sanders has worked on some issues like that before, he would probably be like Obama on steroids to the Republicans. Significantly more liberal and more aggressive about it, while actually being a type of socialist (rather than Obama just being called that). The GOP would go absolutely 100% crazy over his election. McConnell would be uttering "Our number one priority is to make Sanders a one term president" in his sleep incessantly.

However, all things considered, Sanders achieving any of the proposals his supporters drool over is completely out of the question. They would probably remember him as that nice guy who failed to achieve anything despite making it all seem possible.

[The Free North]

His argument is literally

"people went online and said mean things about her". Which is literally the stupidest thing ever if you know anything about the internet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/08/bill_clinton_hillary_victim_to_vicious_trolling_and_sexist_attacks_from_sanders_supporters.html

[indysaff]

He's worked across the aisle with Republicans on a few issues, but to be fair I don't see Bernie or Hillary being successful at pushing anything through Congress if it's still divided.

For Clinton and the best situation with a divided Congress, the most I can see is possibly some mediocre form of paid leave - Something clearly recognizable as having been tainted by pro-business conservative politicians, though. Anything else would likely be small in both nature and impact on the budget (including infrastructure dev)

While I agree Sanders has worked on some issues like that before, he would probably be like Obama on steroids to the Republicans. Significantly more liberal and more aggressive about it, while actually being a type of socialist (rather than Obama just being called that). The GOP would go absolutely 100% crazy over his election. McConnell would be uttering "Our number one priority is to make Sanders a one term president" in his sleep incessantly.

However, all things considered, Sanders achieving any of the proposals his supporters drool over is completely out of the question. They would probably remember him as that nice guy who failed to achieve anything despite making it all seem possible.

I agree, some of his bigger proposals like his health care plan would need the success of a major down ballot victory for Democrats which would give them control of Congress (if that even). I still think both of them would have an equally hard time getting much done through Congress now, even if Democrats just won back the Senate. Sanders definitely has more Congressional experience though, where I could see it working to his advantage.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I believe the appropriate phrase for outbursts like this one is "sweating like a dog."

You win this thread!

[Lincoln Republican]

Sleaze Bill is the perfect one to be involved in a sleaze campaign against Bernie.

After all, nobody knows more about sleaze than Bill himself, having indulged in it most of his life.

[Oakvale]

"Watchdog"?

[Shadows]

Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, issued the following statement in response to false claims by the Clinton campaign:

“It is very disturbing that, as the Clinton campaign struggles through Iowa and New Hampshire, they have become increasingly negative and dishonest. No, Bernie Sanders will not dismantle health care programs in America. He believes in health care for all. No, Bernie Sanders is not ‘attacking’ Planned Parenthood. He believes Planned Parenthood is an outstanding organization and wants to increase its funding. No, Bernie Sanders is not ‘protecting’ the gun lobby. He has a D- record from the NRA.

“Today’s attack from Secretary Clinton, whose super PAC received $15 million from Wall Street, is even more absurd. Bernie Sanders, who has never accepted corporate PAC money in his life, is now accused by Secretary Clinton of taking ‘about $200,000 from Wall Street firms.’ How do they reach that false and absurd conclusion? They assume that every nickel Bernie Sanders received from the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee for his Senate campaign came from Wall Street. That is obviously preposterous.

“Bernie appreciates the help he has gotten from the DSCC, whose funds come from millions of Americans’ individual contributions, labor organizations, environmental groups, women’s organizations and others. To say that every nickel that Bernie received came from Wall Street is beyond preposterous. It is laughable and suggests the kind of disarray that the Clinton campaign finds itself in today.”

[Adam Griffin]

"Waaaah NH might not be the same as it was 25 years ago"

[Ogre Mage]

Bill Clinton has never been good a controlling his emotions and this appears to be a case of him going "off message."  I think he is just frustrated.

The writing has been on the wall in NH for some time but of course once Bernie wins the state the media pronouncements about Hillary's doom will intensify.  The Clinton Campaign should resist the urge to panic and wait for the contest to move into more favorable terrain.  Whether they can manage that is another question.

[Slander and/or Libel]

He's worked across the aisle with Republicans on a few issues, but to be fair I don't see Bernie or Hillary being successful at pushing anything through Congress if it's still divided.

For Clinton and the best situation with a divided Congress, the most I can see is possibly some mediocre form of paid leave - Something clearly recognizable as having been tainted by pro-business conservative politicians, though. Anything else would likely be small in both nature and impact on the budget (including infrastructure dev)

While I agree Sanders has worked on some issues like that before, he would probably be like Obama on steroids to the Republicans. Significantly more liberal and more aggressive about it, while actually being a type of socialist (rather than Obama just being called that). The GOP would go absolutely 100% crazy over his election. McConnell would be uttering "Our number one priority is to make Sanders a one term president" in his sleep incessantly.

However, all things considered, Sanders achieving any of the proposals his supporters drool over is completely out of the question. They would probably remember him as that nice guy who failed to achieve anything despite making it all seem possible.

Perhaps. But if you don't believe that they would be out to destroy Hillary with a feverish intensity from day one, I've got a bridge to sell you.

[Senate Minority Leader Lord Voldemort]

New Hampshire is 3000 miles away, and yet I can smell the desperation here.

Even Sanders came out and criticized his wacky supporters for their behavior, so it's not like there is even a question that those people have gone too far. Sanders supporters are absolutely crazy and will be his downfall in a race he had little chance of winning anyway.

I've seen a lot more crazy Hillary supporters.

Not at all. Sanders supporters literally think he is faultless and will go off on anyone who doesn't support him.

I've never seen a Bernie supporter say there's a special place in hell for Hillary supporters.

Madeleine Albright has repeated that quote for decades. I don't know why everyone lost it when she repeated it once again.

[Shadows]

He's worked across the aisle with Republicans on a few issues, but to be fair I don't see Bernie or Hillary being successful at pushing anything through Congress if it's still divided.

For Clinton and the best situation with a divided Congress, the most I can see is possibly some mediocre form of paid leave - Something clearly recognizable as having been tainted by pro-business conservative politicians, though. Anything else would likely be small in both nature and impact on the budget (including infrastructure dev)

While I agree Sanders has worked on some issues like that before, he would probably be like Obama on steroids to the Republicans. Significantly more liberal and more aggressive about it, while actually being a type of socialist (rather than Obama just being called that). The GOP would go absolutely 100% crazy over his election. McConnell would be uttering "Our number one priority is to make Sanders a one term president" in his sleep incessantly.

However, all things considered, Sanders achieving any of the proposals his supporters drool over is completely out of the question. They would probably remember him as that nice guy who failed to achieve anything despite making it all seem possible.

I agree, some of his bigger proposals like his health care plan would need the success of a major down ballot victory for Democrats which would give them control of Congress (if that even). I still think both of them would have an equally hard time getting much done through Congress now, even if Democrats just won back the Senate. Sanders definitely has more Congressional experience though, where I could see it working to his advantage.

He will 100% achieve it - His heart is in the right place & he is crazed man, a guy with passion. He will 75, I don't know how long he will live, he has the chance to be a legendary President in the mold of FDR.Most of his ideas are not new but have been around for long but Democrats have never had the guts to do with it.

Bernie IMO is not as dim witted as Hillary, he will strike common ground & work on many issues, like he did with the Veterans Bill. He got 25% of the Republican votes in his last election. He unites people, Hillary just is too egoistic to work with Republicans.

Republicans would not support either Bernie or Hillary but they hate Hillary even more. He will get the Judges anyways & main key is to win the house & the senate, which he has clearly said is his focus - a 50 strategy & the house & the senate. He has said to his supporters that unless he gets those, he would not be able to achieve those.

And I believe Democrats will have the house & the senate under his leadership & implement a vast majority of his proposals. Hillary will loose the house & the senate & the Republicans would not either people's bill.

Hell, they hate the affordable care more than anything else!

[Virginiá]

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Republicans would not support either Bernie or Hillary but they hate Hillary even more. He will get the Judges anyways & main key is to win the house & the senate, which he has clearly said is his focus - a 50 strategy & the house & the senate. He has said to his supporters that unless he gets those, he would not be able to achieve those.

And I believe Democrats will have the house & the senate under his leadership & implement a vast majority of his proposals. Hillary will loose the house & the senate & the Republicans would not either people's bill.

Hell, they hate the affordable care more than anything else!

Wow, look at you! You have it all figured out. Why do we even need polls or analysts and such when you have the answers. Clearly Hillary will lose everything no matter what and Sanders will WIN IT ALL!

You must be one of those guys who finds a candidate he really likes and then invests so much confidence in them that you think it's impossible that his win doesn't result in anything less than a national political renaissance that changes everything.