Democratic New Hampshire primary results thread (polls close @7pm and 8pm ET)

[IceSpear]

I don't give a sh**t about this tiny ass state that just like Iowa doesn't represent most of America. Too white, too liberal and far too few people. Hillary is gonna dominate Bernie in 3 weeks. Super Tuesday baby!

Yup. Someone is starting to sweat like a dog, it seems.

I've known this WAS NEVER A CONTEST FOR A VERY LONG TIME NOW. BERNIE NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO WIN THIS.

No, not "a very long time." Go back six months ago and tell anyone a 74-year-old self-proclaimed socialist from Vermont would win a State against Hillary. They would have laughed hard at you.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-could-win-iowa-and-new-hampshire-then-lose-everywhere-else/

Well, that was easy. And not just "anyone", but a statistical website!

[Shadows]

Someone who sweeps the independents & young vote is not electable & but someone who gets 10-20% of the independent & youth vote is electable?

Hillary's votes are the committed Democrat vote. You can put a mad person & he will still get those votes in a general

I didn't say Bernie was unelectable, per se, but that Hillary is more electable. Bernie would beat Trump easily, I think. And maybe Cruz.

Maybe I'm wrong, but Hillary's gender, last name, establishment loyalists, and the fact she doesn't call herself a "socialist" makes her more electable than Bernie. She'd do much better with moderates and probably a bit better with women.

Get a life, F**KIN LOSER!

Wow, what an intelligent, convincing argument!

Disgusting person you are. Hillary hacks, morally bankrupt who are retarded & can make only personal attacks!

Uh...

Here is my argument? Which support will come to the Democrat party regardless of whoever is the candidate? Hillary's base - The establishment, African American, Hispanics - They will come to the Dems regardless of whoever is the candidate.

Bernie's base of huge independents & young people(who don't vote) is a new addition for the Dems making a winning coalition. Hillary's base IMO any Dem Candidate will get. I think this is why Sanders is doing much better vs GOP in all polls.

Maybe I am wrong, this is my line of thinking - Cheers! Ron Paul was my GOP guy in 08 & 12 even if I think his economic policies are wrong. Rand IMO is not as big a libertarian as Ron & I don't like his Economic policies even more but by far my favourite candidate in the GOP -

Sad he quit. His views of anti-War, Audit the fed, against Racism, for legalizing Marijuana, protecting  IP rights & individual freedom was similar to Bernie. We are getting a lot of Ron Paul supporters.

Are you going to vote Cruz?

[Antonio the Sixth]

OK, looks like my memory failed me in terms of timing. But go back about 3 months further and everybody was writing off Bernie. The point is that it's unprecedented for a total outsider to do so well.

[madelka]

I don't give a sh**t about this tiny ass state that just like Iowa doesn't represent most of America. Too white, too liberal and far too few people. Hillary is gonna dominate Bernie in 3 weeks. Super Tuesday baby!

Yup. Someone is starting to sweat like a dog, it seems.

I've known this WAS NEVER A CONTEST FOR A VERY LONG TIME NOW. BERNIE NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO WIN THIS.

No, not "a very long time." Go back six months ago and tell anyone a 74-year-old self-proclaimed socialist from Vermont would win a State against Hillary. They would have laughed hard at you.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-could-win-iowa-and-new-hampshire-then-lose-everywhere-else/

Well, that was easy. And not just "anyone", but a statistical website!

Stop using facts, IceSpear lol.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

I don't give a sh**t about this tiny ass state that just like Iowa doesn't represent most of America. Too white, too liberal and far too few people. Hillary is gonna dominate Bernie in 3 weeks. Super Tuesday baby!

Yup. Someone is starting to sweat like a dog, it seems.

I've known this WAS NEVER A CONTEST FOR A VERY LONG TIME NOW. BERNIE NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO WIN THIS.

No, not "a very long time." Go back six months ago and tell anyone a 74-year-old self-proclaimed socialist from Vermont would win a State against Hillary. They would have laughed hard at you.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-could-win-iowa-and-new-hampshire-then-lose-everywhere-else/

Well, that was easy. And not just "anyone", but a statistical website!

Stop arguing with facts, IceSpear lol.

[Panhandle Progressive]

OK, looks like my memory failed me in terms of timing. But go back about 3 months further and everybody was writing off Bernie. The point is that it's unprecedented for a total outsider to do so well.

Once again...
The early states are too white, too liberal and far too few people. Hillary is gonna dominate Bernie in 3 weeks. Super Tuesday baby!

[IceSpear]

OK, looks like my memory failed me in terms of timing. But go back about 3 months further and everybody was writing off Bernie. The point is that it's unprecedented for a total outsider to do so well.

Well now you're correct. But it's already been priced in that he's doing far better than anyone expected at the very beginning. This was why the "Bernie won Iowa because he made it close!" theory never held water. Once it became clear he was a serious candidate, Iowa was supposed to be one of his easiest targets.

[adma]

May I say this to all: what's with this "butthurt/butt hurt" epithet?  It makes me think of emotionally stunted young males who were born post-Y2K and who think pubic hair on women is gross.  Stop it, will you.

And as for Clinton vs Sanders, keep this in mind: even if she lost, Hillary still outpolled Trump's victory share.

[Panhandle Progressive]

OK, looks like my memory failed me in terms of timing. But go back about 3 months further and everybody was writing off Bernie. The point is that it's unprecedented for a total outsider to do so well.

Well now you're correct. But it's already been priced in that he's doing far better than anyone expected at the very beginning. This was why the "Bernie won Iowa because he made it close!" theory never held water. Once it became clear he was a serious candidate, Iowa was supposed to be one of his easiest targets.

That's exactly right. Bill Clinton lost both early states in 1992 and still won the party nomination overwhelming and Hillary would have done the same this year even if Bernie had barely won Iowa.

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Here's a poll from May where Hillary led 62-18.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=212549.0

[Panhandle Progressive]

Here's a poll from May where Hillary led 62-18.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=212549.0

Nobody cares. Show me that again in 3 weeks.

[Zanas]

May I say this to all: what's with this "butthurt/butt hurt" epithet?  It makes me think of emotionally stunted young males who were born post-Y2K and who think pubic hair on women is gross.  Stop it, will you.

And as for Clinton vs Sanders, keep this in mind: even if she lost, Hillary still outpolled Trump's victory share.

That's a little like apples and oranges, no ? She didn't outpoll her 2008 score, which is lame. How the hell did she manage that, if Sanders is this unelectable ?

[IceSpear]

Here's a poll from May where Hillary led 62-18.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=212549.0

LOL Trump in 5th place!

Trump should fade to near 0 with time.

lol

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Here's a poll from May where Hillary led 62-18.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=212549.0

LOL Trump in 5th place!

Trump should fade to near 0 with time.

lol

In all honesty, Christie and Carson polled 6th and 8th as they should have, and Bush and Rubio were each only one spot away from their actual results.

[Antonio the Sixth]

OK, looks like my memory failed me in terms of timing. But go back about 3 months further and everybody was writing off Bernie. The point is that it's unprecedented for a total outsider to do so well.

Well now you're correct. But it's already been priced in that he's doing far better than anyone expected at the very beginning. This was why the "Bernie won Iowa because he made it close!" theory never held water. Once it became clear he was a serious candidate, Iowa was supposed to be one of his easiest targets.

Nobody here is arguing that Bernie is the favorite now. Of course Hillary will probably still win in the end. But by all account what happened to do was good news for him and bad news for her. That should be obvious to anyone who's not a hack.

[madelka]

OK, looks like my memory failed me in terms of timing. But go back about 3 months further and everybody was writing off Bernie. The point is that it's unprecedented for a total outsider to do so well.

Well now you're correct. But it's already been priced in that he's doing far better than anyone expected at the very beginning. This was why the "Bernie won Iowa because he made it close!" theory never held water. Once it became clear he was a serious candidate, Iowa was supposed to be one of his easiest targets.

Nobody here is arguing that Bernie is the favorite now. Of course Hillary will probably still win in the end. But by all account what happened to do was good news for him and bad news for her. That should be obvious to anyone who's not a hack.

Once again:
It's not bad news for her when SHE'S STILL GUARANTEED TO WIN SC AND DOMINATE ON SUPER TUESDAY!

[Antonio the Sixth]

[MaxQue]

I don't see why Hillary supporters are upset.

She is by far the most likely winner and it will force herself to be a better candidate. Hillary being better is good for the general, no?

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

SO Clinton gets 39% when she got 39% in 2008 LOL

[MaxQue]

OK, looks like my memory failed me in terms of timing. But go back about 3 months further and everybody was writing off Bernie. The point is that it's unprecedented for a total outsider to do so well.

Well now you're correct. But it's already been priced in that he's doing far better than anyone expected at the very beginning. This was why the "Bernie won Iowa because he made it close!" theory never held water. Once it became clear he was a serious candidate, Iowa was supposed to be one of his easiest targets.

Nobody here is arguing that Bernie is the favorite now. Of course Hillary will probably still win in the end. But by all account what happened to do was good news for him and bad news for her. That should be obvious to anyone who's not a hack.

Once again:
It's not bad news for her when SHE'S STILL GUARANTEED TO WIN SC AND DOMINATE ON SUPER TUESDAY!

You know, multiple accounts are banned, Lief.

[Zanas]

Well, calling it a night. 5 AM here and I got work later...

Was a good night !

[madelka]

I don't see why Hillary supporters are upset.

She is by far the most likely winner and it will force herself to be a better candidate. Hillary being better is good for the general, no?

It's about angry Berniebots and the media spinning it as if Bernie is the new frontrunner when he clearly isn't.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't see why Hillary supporters are upset.

She is by far the most likely winner and it will force herself to be a better candidate. Hillary being better is good for the general, no?

It's about angry Berniebots and the media spinning it as if Bernie is the new frontrunner when he clearly isn't.

Nice strawman.

[MaxQue]

I don't see why Hillary supporters are upset.

She is by far the most likely winner and it will force herself to be a better candidate. Hillary being better is good for the general, no?

It's about angry Berniebots and the media spinning it as if Bernie is the new frontrunner when he clearly isn't.

Like I said earlier, media does that for financial reasons. A longer race = more ads, more things to cover.

[Panhandle Progressive]

I don't see why Hillary supporters are upset.

She is by far the most likely winner and it will force herself to be a better candidate. Hillary being better is good for the general, no?

Here's my perspective:
Bernie never had a real chance to win the party nomination. He also knows this. You can tell from his speech tonight by him saying that "we need to unite as a party in a few months, to defeat the right wing extremist" But because he made a run for the nomination he could potentially isolate many young voters and potentially many under 45 voters as well. It's just lunacy when Dems could have had a cake walk to the Presidency if we all stayed united, but now it's starting to fray, and within a few months many voters COULD (and i stress COULD) become disinterested and not turn out for Hillary in the GE. This would cause the party to be fractured for no good reason.