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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #425 on: February 09, 2016, 11:58:49 PM »

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Is this confirmed?

Yup. CNN still has Bernie at 55-44. 66-32 among men. Big gender gap, but a landslide is a landslide.
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« Reply #426 on: February 09, 2016, 11:59:28 PM »


Sexist.
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« Reply #427 on: February 09, 2016, 11:59:51 PM »

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Is this confirmed?

It has to, per logic.

If Hillary tied with women, it means Sanders won men 70-30. Not happening.
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« Reply #428 on: February 10, 2016, 12:01:40 AM »

Hillary won a 4th town, Windham (yet another Republican stronghold).
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« Reply #429 on: February 10, 2016, 12:02:12 AM »

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Yup. CNN still has Bernie at 55-44. 66-32 among men. Big gender gap, but a landslide is a landslide.

ANGRY NH WOMEN FOR BERNIE!
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« Reply #430 on: February 10, 2016, 12:02:23 AM »

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« Reply #431 on: February 10, 2016, 12:02:31 AM »

The Hillbots in this thread are.... not taking it well, that's for sure.  What Stage are they in at this point?  

Get a life, Berniebot.

Why is it so hard to understand that I don't want my party to nominate an unelectable loon when we are guaranteed to retake the White House for another 8 years with Hillary? Look, the Republican party has become a joke. No matter what happens, Hillary Clinton is guaranteed to win at least 270 electoral votes against Trump and Cruz:



Let's not put states like PA and VA into play by nominating an angry old man who talks about a political revolution that's not going to happen anyway.
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« Reply #432 on: February 10, 2016, 12:03:35 AM »

muh 272 firewall
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« Reply #433 on: February 10, 2016, 12:04:09 AM »

The Hillbots in this thread are.... not taking it well, that's for sure.  What Stage are they in at this point?  

Get a life, Berniebot.

Why is it so hard to understand that I don't want my party to nominate an unelectable loon when we are guaranteed to retake the White House for another 8 years with Hillary? Look, the Republican party has become a joke. No matter what happens, Hillary Clinton is guaranteed to win at least 270 electoral votes against Trump and Cruz:



Let's not put states like PA and VA into play by nominating an angry old man who talks about a political revolution that's not going to happen anyway.

Ah, yes. The good ol' 272 freiwal.
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« Reply #434 on: February 10, 2016, 12:04:21 AM »

The Hillbots in this thread are.... not taking it well, that's for sure.  What Stage are they in at this point?  

Get a life, Berniebot.

Why is it so hard to understand that I don't want my party to nominate an unelectable loon when we are guaranteed to retake the White House for another 8 years with Hillary? Look, the Republican party has become a joke. No matter what happens, Hillary Clinton is guaranteed to win at least 270 electoral votes against Trump and Cruz:



Let's not put states like PA and VA into play by nominating an angry old man who talks about a political revolution that's not going to happen anyway.

Yikes.  You're really clueless.
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« Reply #435 on: February 10, 2016, 12:05:52 AM »


If you think Trump can carry Virginia or Pennsylvania, you're delusional. Face it: She's guaranteed to win the election if she faces Trump or Cruz.
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« Reply #436 on: February 10, 2016, 12:06:58 AM »

The Hillbots in this thread are.... not taking it well, that's for sure.  What Stage are they in at this point?  

Get a life, Berniebot.

Why is it so hard to understand that I don't want my party to nominate an unelectable loon when we are guaranteed to retake the White House for another 8 years with Hillary? Look, the Republican party has become a joke. No matter what happens, Hillary Clinton is guaranteed to win at least 270 electoral votes against Trump and Cruz:



Let's not put states like PA and VA into play by nominating an angry old man who talks about a political revolution that's not going to happen anyway.

Last general election PA polls:

Trump 45, Hillary 43
Rubio 45, Hillary 42

Virginia:
Clinton leads by 17 over Trump, 4 over Cruz, 3 over Rubio
Sanders leads by 22 over Trump, 12 over Cruz, 10 over Rubio

So, what is your point now, Lief?
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« Reply #437 on: February 10, 2016, 12:07:39 AM »


If you think Trump can carry Virginia or Pennsylvania, you're delusional. Face it: She's guaranteed to win the election if she faces Trump or Cruz.

I agree with this as well. Trump or Cruz nominations ruin any chance Republicans have this cycle.
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« Reply #438 on: February 10, 2016, 12:07:50 AM »


If you think Trump can carry Virginia or Pennsylvania, you're delusional. Face it: She's guaranteed to win the election if she faces Trump or Cruz.

Polls says otherwise. Trump would beat Clinton in Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #439 on: February 10, 2016, 12:09:29 AM »

General election polls don't mean sh*t at this point. Bernie COULD certainly defeat Trump or Cruz (and most likely would), but I know for sure that Hillary WOULD defeat them. Big difference.
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« Reply #440 on: February 10, 2016, 12:10:28 AM »

You guys are unbelievable. You're making all the same mistakes Hillary's campaign has made in 2008 and is making again now: taking everything for granted.

The fact is, everything can still happen at this point. Being ahead now is not enough to make you feel safe. This is true for the primaries, and it will be true for the general.
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« Reply #441 on: February 10, 2016, 12:10:51 AM »


If you think Trump can carry Virginia or Pennsylvania, you're delusional. Face it: She's guaranteed to win the election if she faces Trump or Cruz.

Polls says otherwise. Trump would beat Clinton in Pennsylvania.

Just like the lead washington post article is titled "Clinton loss upends Democratic contest, sets up intense race" WRONG. the media always wanted the Democrats to have race, when it never truly had a chance to be. It's all downhill now for Sanders.
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« Reply #442 on: February 10, 2016, 12:11:22 AM »

The Hillbots in this thread are.... not taking it well, that's for sure.  What Stage are they in at this point?  

Get a life, Berniebot.

Why is it so hard to understand that I don't want my party to nominate an unelectable loon when we are guaranteed to retake the White House for another 8 years with Hillary? Look, the Republican party has become a joke. No matter what happens, Hillary Clinton is guaranteed to win at least 270 electoral votes against Trump and Cruz:



Let's not put states like PA and VA into play by nominating an angry old man who talks about a political revolution that's not going to happen anyway.

Last general election PA polls:

Trump 45, Hillary 43
Rubio 45, Hillary 42

Virginia:
Clinton leads by 17 over Trump, 4 over Cruz, 3 over Rubio
Sanders leads by 22 over Trump, 12 over Cruz, 10 over Rubio

So, what is your point now, Lief?

We don't need current polls.  Virginia, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania are not set-in-stone Democratic states.  Especially for a candidate like Hillary who is simply not very popular with swing voters in a national election and doesn't do much to energize constituencies that propelled Obama.  
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« Reply #443 on: February 10, 2016, 12:12:16 AM »


If you think Trump can carry Virginia or Pennsylvania, you're delusional. Face it: She's guaranteed to win the election if she faces Trump or Cruz.

Polls says otherwise. Trump would beat Clinton in Pennsylvania.

Polls from 2011 also said Romney would beat Obama in PA. 48% is the Republican ceiling in the state. Trump would get crushed in the Philly suburbs and likely lose worse than Corbett and McCain statewide.
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« Reply #444 on: February 10, 2016, 12:14:55 AM »

General election polls don't mean sh*t at this point. Bernie COULD certainly defeat Trump or Cruz (and most likely would), but I know for sure that Hillary WOULD defeat them. Big difference.

Taking states for granted is the easiest way to lose. If Hillary follow your strategy, a Republican WILL be swearing in in 11 months.

That's another advantage of a long primary. She will see which ones of her advisers are incompetent and fire them before the general election.
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« Reply #445 on: February 10, 2016, 12:16:01 AM »


If you think Trump can carry Virginia or Pennsylvania, you're delusional. Face it: She's guaranteed to win the election if she faces Trump or Cruz.

Polls says otherwise. Trump would beat Clinton in Pennsylvania.

Polls from 2011 also said Romney would beat Obama in PA. 48% is the Republican ceiling in the state. Trump would get crushed in the Philly suburbs and likely lose worse than Corbett and McCain statewide.

Obama wasn't campaigning yet in 2011. Clinton is campaigning since months.
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« Reply #446 on: February 10, 2016, 12:16:25 AM »


If you think Trump can carry Virginia or Pennsylvania, you're delusional. Face it: She's guaranteed to win the election if she faces Trump or Cruz.

Polls says otherwise. Trump would beat Clinton in Pennsylvania.

Just like the lead washington post article is titled "Clinton loss upends Democratic contest, sets up intense race" WRONG. the media always wanted the Democrats to have race, when it never truly had a chance to be. It's all downhill now for Sanders.

Fact of the matter is we have a real race on our hands.  Is Hillary still the favorite?  Yes, but llets not pretend that even with demographics that are very favorable for Sanders, a 20-22% margin isn't a big del.  It absoultey is and could shake up this race during the path to Nevada and South Carolina.
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« Reply #447 on: February 10, 2016, 12:18:12 AM »

She's not taking them for granted. McAuliffe and Wolf are setting up the largest Democratic GOTV operations that VA and PA have ever seen.
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« Reply #448 on: February 10, 2016, 12:20:00 AM »

She's not taking them for granted. McAuliffe and Wolf are setting up the largest Democratic GOTV operations that VA and PA have ever seen.

If Hillary's not taking them for granted, then neither should you.
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« Reply #449 on: February 10, 2016, 12:20:15 AM »

IceSpear was literally the original Hillary hack who was convinced that Hillary would win with >70% of the primary vote, carry every state, would win the general by 20 points and planned on coming back to laugh at everybody else here who doubted that come primary time!

"Inevitable" was always the word, but it's so bad that he must now cling to the word "inevitable" in the context of "hey, she's inevitably going to slide by by the skin of her teeth because one quarter of the Democratic primary electorate doesn't know the name of the other candidate and so she'll run up the board with them"!

You have quite feverish delusions, my friend. I was predicting Sanders would emerge as the main alternative to Hillary and start polling in the 30s before they were even candidates. This was back when the "expert pundits" were opining about how O'Malley (or Warren!) would be the main alternative against Hillary. During early 2015, I had Bernie winning both Iowa AND New Hampshire in "Bernie Sanders' ceiling?" threads. I was predicting she'd win the general by 5 points back when polls showed her up 20+ points. I can find evidence to substantiate all these claims if you wish. Something tells me you have absolutely nothing to substantiate yours.

And yes, she's still inevitable, just like she always was. "Inevitable" doesn't mean winning with >70% of the vote, or sweeping every state, or even winning easily. It just means you're going to win. Will Bernie winning in his own backyard help him narrow the enormous gap among minorities? Will it help him not lose the superdelegates 355-14? Will it help stop the inevitable Obama endorsement if Hillary really looks to be in danger? Will it stop the primary calendar after tonight being absolutely dreadful for him?

Do you really think it's going to look good for her campaign if things aren't going well and all the sudden the sitting President goes back on his word by endorsing before the convention?  There are already reports that the administration is furious.  Why doesn't Obama just step up and end this now? 

Or you could just be engaging in wishful thinking after your candidate took a good whuppin'. 

The media might try to spin it as "desperation" or whatever, but it won't matter. What I know is that Obama is adored by Democrats, and he's not going to want to leave protecting his legacy in the hands of an elderly socialist.

As for the gloating, enjoy it while you can. I sincerely mean that. Things are gonna get pretty ugly for Bernie soon, so it's nice he could have his moment in the sun.
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