Democratic New Hampshire primary results thread (polls close @7pm and 8pm ET)

[madelka]

The rest of America has just started tuning in.  A long speech is the best thing he could do.  It makes him look viable that the networks are covering him for a half an hour and that he is hitting all his talking points. 

Sanders isn't electable.

[madelka]

The rest of America has just started tuning in.  A long speech is the best thing he could do.  It makes him look viable that the networks are covering him for a half an hour and that he is hitting all his talking points.  

Sanders isn't electable.

He may be the most electable Democrat in decades. With Clinton you won't independents, so you have already lost the general. Plus no connect with the youth to make the loss every bigger!

Sanders is the only hope now anyways!

Winning the youth vote won't be enough to win the general, you know? He will alienate a lot of moderates and Independents in the suburbs with his stupid talk about A POLITICAL REVOLUTION (which isn't happening anyway). And while we're at it: Trump is not electable either, but most of you guys already know that.

[madelka]

The rest of America has just started tuning in.  A long speech is the best thing he could do.  It makes him look viable that the networks are covering him for a half an hour and that he is hitting all his talking points. 

Sanders isn't electable.

He may be the most electable Democrat in decades. With Clinton you won't independents, so you have already lost the general. Plus no connect with the youth to make the loss every bigger!

Sanders is the only hope now anyways!

Just plain wrong. If you are still here in October I will prove it to you.

You can't. Hillary is the most un-electable Democrat candidate I have seen in the last 30 odd years. Kerry, Gore, who lost were a MUCH MUCH better candidate than Hillary. There is reason why Sanders has clawed back so much & why a rookie like Obama beat her. Atleast Bill was a great orator!

Hillary is ten times the orator of Bernie. He usually comes off as an angry man.

I don't know for Sanders, but, no Hillary isn't a good candidate. If she were, she would be ending her 2nd term in a few months.

She won the popular vote in 2008. People act as if Obama eviscerated her.

[madelka]

Well one prediction was right : we got a bunch of butthurt Clinton fans tonight!

Enjoy it while you can. See you on February 27, when we begin to get rid of this unelectable loon.

[madelka]

The rest of America has just started tuning in.  A long speech is the best thing he could do.  It makes him look viable that the networks are covering him for a half an hour and that he is hitting all his talking points.  

Sanders isn't electable.

He may be the most electable Democrat in decades. With Clinton you won't independents, so you have already lost the general. Plus no connect with the youth to make the loss every bigger!

Sanders is the only hope now anyways!

Winning the youth vote won't be enough to win the general, you know? He will alienate a lot of moderates and Independents in the suburbs with his stupid talk about A POLITICAL REVOLUTION (which isn't happening anyway). And while we're at it: Trump is not electable either, but most of you guys already know that.

He is sweeping the independent vote. And he is winning moderate & even republicans. We have 1000's of Republicans changing their affiliation, people who have always voted GOP since Raegan. Bernie got 25% of the GOP vote in Vermont.

And the independents & moderates clearly want a POLITICAL REVOLUTION. 70-80% of the country is anti-establishment & big sweeping changes!

Stay off the cocaine, bro.

[madelka]

I don't give a sh**t about this tiny ass state that just like Iowa doesn't represent most of America. Too white, too liberal and far too few people. Hillary is gonna dominate Bernie in 3 weeks. Super Tuesday baby!

Yup. Someone is starting to sweat like a dog, it seems.

I've known this WAS NEVER A CONTEST FOR A VERY LONG TIME NOW. BERNIE NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO WIN THIS.

No, not "a very long time." Go back six months ago and tell anyone a 74-year-old self-proclaimed socialist from Vermont would win a State against Hillary. They would have laughed hard at you.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-could-win-iowa-and-new-hampshire-then-lose-everywhere-else/

Well, that was easy. And not just "anyone", but a statistical website!

Stop using facts, IceSpear lol.

[madelka]

OK, looks like my memory failed me in terms of timing. But go back about 3 months further and everybody was writing off Bernie. The point is that it's unprecedented for a total outsider to do so well.

Well now you're correct. But it's already been priced in that he's doing far better than anyone expected at the very beginning. This was why the "Bernie won Iowa because he made it close!" theory never held water. Once it became clear he was a serious candidate, Iowa was supposed to be one of his easiest targets.

Nobody here is arguing that Bernie is the favorite now. Of course Hillary will probably still win in the end. But by all account what happened to do was good news for him and bad news for her. That should be obvious to anyone who's not a hack.

Once again:
It's not bad news for her when SHE'S STILL GUARANTEED TO WIN SC AND DOMINATE ON SUPER TUESDAY!

[madelka]

I don't see why Hillary supporters are upset.

She is by far the most likely winner and it will force herself to be a better candidate. Hillary being better is good for the general, no?

It's about angry Berniebots and the media spinning it as if Bernie is the new frontrunner when he clearly isn't.

[madelka]

I don't see why Hillary supporters are upset.

She is by far the most likely winner and it will force herself to be a better candidate. Hillary being better is good for the general, no?

Here's my perspective:
Bernie never had a real chance to win the party nomination. He also knows this. You can tell from his speech tonight by him saying that "we need to unite as a party in a few months, to defeat the right wing extremist" But because he made a run for the nomination he could potentially isolate many young voters and potentially many under 45 voters as well. It's just lunacy when Dems could have had a cake walk to the Presidency if we all stayed united, but now it's starting to fray, and within a few months many voters COULD (and i stress COULD) become disinterested and not turn out for Hillary in the GE. This would cause the party to be fractured for no good reason.

2004: Cakewalk for Kerry, he lost.
2008: Long campaign down to the wire, Obama won quite easily.

Long primaries allow to improve candidates and already build networks in states.

Bullsh*t. Kerry was running a terrible campaign against an incumbent president and in 2008 you had the financial crisis and the Iraq war helping the Democrats. The 2004 and 2008 results had nothing to do with how the candidates did in the primaries.

[madelka]

I don't see why Hillary supporters are upset.

She is by far the most likely winner and it will force herself to be a better candidate. Hillary being better is good for the general, no?

It's about angry Berniebots and the media spinning it as if Bernie is the new frontrunner when he clearly isn't.

Nice strawman.

Bernie isn't winning in NV and SC. That's not a strawman, it's called 'reality'.

[madelka]

Just wait for the polls idiots anything could happen.

The 'polls' show Sanders getting crushed in the South and the Midwest and pretty much every other state that is at least 15% non-White. But keep dreaming, Berniebots.

[madelka]

^She has been inevitable since the day Biden decided not to run.

[madelka]

Kinda surprised at this result. Most excellent.

Yawn. It does nothing to change the course in a significant way.

Sanders got a significant win IN ONE OF THE WHITEST STATES IN THE COUNTRY, this is fact.

Fixed.

[madelka]

The Hillbots in this thread are.... not taking it well, that's for sure.  What Stage are they in at this point?  

Get a life, Berniebot.

Why is it so hard to understand that I don't want my party to nominate an unelectable loon when we are guaranteed to retake the White House for another 8 years with Hillary? Look, the Republican party has become a joke. No matter what happens, Hillary Clinton is guaranteed to win at least 270 electoral votes against Trump and Cruz:

Let's not put states like PA and VA into play by nominating an angry old man who talks about a political revolution that's not going to happen anyway.

[madelka]

muh 272 firewall

If you think Trump can carry Virginia or Pennsylvania, you're delusional. Face it: She's guaranteed to win the election if she faces Trump or Cruz.

[madelka]

General election polls don't mean sh*t at this point. Bernie COULD certainly defeat Trump or Cruz (and most likely would), but I know for sure that Hillary WOULD defeat them. Big difference.

[madelka]

muh 272 firewall

If you think Trump can carry Virginia or Pennsylvania, you're delusional. Face it: She's guaranteed to win the election if she faces Trump or Cruz.

Polls says otherwise. Trump would beat Clinton in Pennsylvania.

Polls from 2011 also said Romney would beat Obama in PA. 48% is the Republican ceiling in the state. Trump would get crushed in the Philly suburbs and likely lose worse than Corbett and McCain statewide.

[madelka]

She's not taking them for granted. McAuliffe and Wolf are setting up the largest Democratic GOTV operations that VA and PA have ever seen.

[madelka]

As for the gloating, enjoy it while you can. I sincerely mean that. Things are gonna get pretty ugly for Bernie soon, so it's nice he could have his moment in the sun.

^EXACTLY!^ See you on Feb. 27 and on Super Tuesday, Berniebots!

[madelka]

Hillary currently has a 15 to 13 delegate lead over Sanders, when including most delegates (4 still unallocated) from NH. I bet you won't hear the media speak of this.

Rightly so because that's superdelegates that weren't "won" last night.

The nomination is still ultimately a math game. You have to win those supers or your going down, hard.

If Sanders ends up winning elected delegates and the superdelegates give Clinton the nomination, there will be protests equaling 1968 Chicago.

...LOL? I guess?