What could Sanders achieve as President that Clinton wouldn't?

[Nichlemn]

To be sure, Sanders has taken positions decidedly to the left of Clinton. But even if he did win the nomination and Presidency, it probably wouldn't be accompanied by a massive pro-socialist wave in Congress. Even if Democrats won back both houses of Congress, they'd have a non-filibuster proof majority in the Senate, with the median Senator probably being a relatively moderate Democrat. I find it hard to believe that in a world where Obamacare only barely passed a 60 seat Senate, that Bernie Sanders could get even more radical policies passed.

So he's probably limited to executive orders, judicial appointments and veto powers, realistically. What does he do differently there?

[Boston Bread]

Hopefully he can scuttle TPP. With all the GOPers denouncing it as OBUMMERTRADE he could veto any attempt to pass it. Clinton opposes TPP on paper but I don't trust her to stick to that position if elected.

[RaphaelDLG]

Theoretically, nothing really.  They'd both be really obstructed.  Clinton has some more relationships in DC but Sanders presumably would have a wave of psycho young people he could email and ask to yell at their congressperson.

A totally different and MUCH more important question is "what could Sanders achieve as President that Clinton would be capable of achieving but wouldn't be interested in trying/pushing for"

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Isn't the point to move the Overton window left and cement a social-democratic constituency in American politics?

[Boston Bread]

Isn't the point to move the Overton window left and cement a social-democratic constituency in American politics?

Well yeah, but he doesn't have to be president in order to do it. It's already happening

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Both of them would be heavily blocked by the current Congress. However, I have seen Sanders supporters try to start grassroots campaigns to bring back the Democratic majority. I have not seen any Hillary supporters outside this forum do the same.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Hopefully he can scuttle TPP. With all the GOPers denouncing it as OBUMMERTRADE he could veto any attempt to pass it. Clinton opposes TPP on paper but I don't trust her to stick to that position if elected.

TPP is going to come up for a ratifcation vote after the November elections per agreement between Obama, Boehner, and Ryan. It probably will pass very narrowly like Fast Track Authority did.


Although it should be noted that there is a two year window that all signatory nations have to ratify it as well as make final, smaller negotiations (just cleaning up around the edges), so the earliest it will come into effect will probably be 2019, if I understood the details correctly.

[BM]

Both of them would be heavily blocked by the current Congress. However, I have seen Sanders supporters try to start grassroots campaigns to bring back the Democratic majority. I have not seen any Hillary supporters outside this forum do the same.

you must be joking if you think Sanders has done more for the Democratic Party than Clinton. My God.

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Both of them would be heavily blocked by the current Congress. However, I have seen Sanders supporters try to start grassroots campaigns to bring back the Democratic majority. I have not seen any Hillary supporters outside this forum do the same.

you must be joking if you think Sanders has done more for the Democratic Party than Clinton. My God.

Sanders supporters. Work on your reading comprehension, please.

[The Free North]

It's difficult to pass legislation from federal prison.

[BM]

Both of them would be heavily blocked by the current Congress. However, I have seen Sanders supporters try to start grassroots campaigns to bring back the Democratic majority. I have not seen any Hillary supporters outside this forum do the same.

you must be joking if you think Sanders has done more for the Democratic Party than Clinton. My God.

Sanders supporters. Work on your reading comprehension, please.

The Sanders supporters that didn't care one bit about the party a year ago but are now undermining the party by encouraging unnecessary primary challenges, bashing Democratic achievements by the most effective liberal president in generations - Barack Obama, and supporting an unelectable candidate for president when the Supreme Court is on the line. Sure.

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Both of them would be heavily blocked by the current Congress. However, I have seen Sanders supporters try to start grassroots campaigns to bring back the Democratic majority. I have not seen any Hillary supporters outside this forum do the same.

you must be joking if you think Sanders has done more for the Democratic Party than Clinton. My God.

Sanders supporters. Work on your reading comprehension, please.

The Sanders supporters that didn't care one bit about the party a year ago but are now undermining the party by encouraging unnecessary primary challenges, bashing Democratic achievements by the most effective liberal president in generations - Barack Obama, and supporting an unelectable candidate for president when the Supreme Court is on the line. Sure.

I never said they contributed more to the Democratic Party than Clinton, either. You seem to be having these reading comprehension problems. I did, however, say that they are working harder to take back Congress than most Hillary supporters.

[Asian Nazi]

He could pivot to the right and receive less criticism for it than Clinton would.

[BM]

Both of them would be heavily blocked by the current Congress. However, I have seen Sanders supporters try to start grassroots campaigns to bring back the Democratic majority. I have not seen any Hillary supporters outside this forum do the same.

you must be joking if you think Sanders has done more for the Democratic Party than Clinton. My God.

Sanders supporters. Work on your reading comprehension, please.

The Sanders supporters that didn't care one bit about the party a year ago but are now undermining the party by encouraging unnecessary primary challenges, bashing Democratic achievements by the most effective liberal president in generations - Barack Obama, and supporting an unelectable candidate for president when the Supreme Court is on the line. Sure.

I never said they contributed more to the Democratic Party than Clinton, either. You seem to be having these reading comprehension problems. I did, however, say that they are working harder to take back Congress than most Hillary supporters.

I know exactly what you said so don't be a condescending troll. I'm saying they're causing far more damage to liberal causes with their zealous and ignorant behavior  than whatever good you seem to think they're doing.

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Both of them would be heavily blocked by the current Congress. However, I have seen Sanders supporters try to start grassroots campaigns to bring back the Democratic majority. I have not seen any Hillary supporters outside this forum do the same.

you must be joking if you think Sanders has done more for the Democratic Party than Clinton. My God.

Sanders supporters. Work on your reading comprehension, please.

The Sanders supporters that didn't care one bit about the party a year ago but are now undermining the party by encouraging unnecessary primary challenges, bashing Democratic achievements by the most effective liberal president in generations - Barack Obama, and supporting an unelectable candidate for president when the Supreme Court is on the line. Sure.

I never said they contributed more to the Democratic Party than Clinton, either. You seem to be having these reading comprehension problems. I did, however, say that they are working harder to take back Congress than most Hillary supporters.

I know exactly what you said so don't be a condescending troll. I'm saying they're causing far more damage to liberal causes with their zealous and ignorant behavior  than whatever good you seem to think they're doing.

I'm a troll, eh?

And your candidate isn't liberal. She's a moderate wearing the skin of a liberal.

[Gass3268]

Stopping the TPP.

[Asian Nazi]

BeccaM, you're literally arguing with a 13 year old berniebro.

[Mehmentum]

The only real difference between Sanders and Clinton would be foreign policy, where the president has the most control.  Plenty on this forum would probably prefer Sanders' foreign policy, but for me its no contest, Clinton all the way.

[BM]

BeccaM, you're literally arguing with a 13 year old berniebro.

LOL I'm not surprised.  At least he can't vote.

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BeccaM, you're literally arguing with a 13 year old berniebro.

Could you stop calling me a Berniebro? I don't support Sanders, I merely see him as the lesser of two evils.

[Beet]

That only solidifies your Berniebro status even more, young man

[DrScholl]

Nothing at all, the only difference would be what the proposals are. Like with Obama, Clinton or Sanders would spend most of their time trying to cut deals to avoid shutdowns and vetoing Obamacare repeals.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If we have a Republican Congress, what either of them will achieve is basically 0.

[Higgs]

BeccaM, you're literally arguing with a 13 year old berniebro.

Could you stop calling me a Berniebro? I don't support Sanders, I merely see him as the lesser of two evils.

There's no point in arguing with a Hillary hack. They make personal attacks even when there's so much ammo against Bernie.

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BeccaM, you're literally arguing with a 13 year old berniebro.

Could you stop calling me a Berniebro? I don't support Sanders, I merely see him as the lesser of two evils.

There's no point in arguing with a Hillary hack. They make personal attacks even when there's so much ammo against Bernie.

Honestly, I respect d32123. He's much more reasonable than a lot of Hillary supporters here. It's just that I don't want him calling me a Berniebro, with the implications that that term carries.