Bernie hurt himself in the debate.

[Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it.]

Bernie likely doomed himself by attacking President Obama rather than embracing him like Hillary did. If you look at it, in 2014 mostly all the democratic candidates that ran for senate attacked or distanced themselves from Obama and they ended up loosing badly. Hillary did the right thing by standing by Obama and defending him. That will help her a lot in the end.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Lol ok "Clinton 2016".

[Shadows]

#Hillaryhack
#Cheap-ploy
#Dishonestperson
#Peopleseethroughit

[Famous Mortimer]

The reason Sanders distanced himself from Obama were different from the reasons congressional Democrats distanced themselves from Obama. You must understand this, if you understand American politics at all. Otherwise you shouldn't be on this board.

[Landslide Lyndon]

The reason Sanders distanced himself from Obama were different from the reasons congressional Democrats distanced themselves from Obama. You must understand this, if you understand American politics at all. Otherwise you shouldn't be on this board.

Maybe you can explain why someone who runs in a Democratic primary distances himself from the most popular Democrat in the country.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

The reason Sanders distanced himself from Obama were different from the reasons congressional Democrats distanced themselves from Obama. You must understand this, if you understand American politics at all. Otherwise you shouldn't be on this board.

Maybe you can explain why someone who runs in a Democratic primary distances himself from the most popular Democrat in the country.

Can you not ever disagree with a president on any issue?? What are you even talking about? Bernie agrees with Obama with most issues.

[Shadows]

The reason Sanders distanced himself from Obama were different from the reasons congressional Democrats distanced themselves from Obama. You must understand this, if you understand American politics at all. Otherwise you shouldn't be on this board.

Maybe you can explain why someone who runs in a Democratic primary distances himself from the most popular Democrat in the country.

With a 47% Approval rating & where 80% odd of the country thinks that the country is going in a wrong direction. Bernie said he agreed with Obama on most issues & he gives him due credit for the recovery since the mess Bush left them in.

But there are differences & should be.

I personally would rate Obama as an above average to decent president , but not an amazing one, for which he was voted in office.

[Panhandle Progressive]

#Hillaryhack
#Cheap-ploy
#Dishonestperson
#Peopleseethroughit

#canwininNOV
#clintoncoalition
#longtimeDEM
#mostexperienced

[ProgressiveCanadian]

#Hillaryhack
#Cheap-ploy
#Dishonestperson
#Peopleseethroughit

#canwininNOV
#clintoncoalition
#longtimeDEM
#mostexperienced

#boughtbywallstreet
#calledblacks"super-predators"
#votedtowarwithiraq
#cantwinagainsttrump

[SillyAmerican]

#Hillaryhack
#Cheap-ploy
#Dishonestperson
#Peopleseethroughit

#canwininNOV
#clintoncoalition
#longtimeDEM
#mostexperienced

#boughtbywallstreet
#calledblacks"super-predators"
#votedtowarwithiraq
#cantwinagainsttrump

#weneedsomeonebetter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

[°Leprechaun]

I think the issue has been "spun" by Clinton. As Sanders pointed out Clinton ran against Obama in 2008. Sanders defended himself quite well. He has been a very strong supporter of Obama, but disagrees with him on certain issues. Do we want an Obama "clone"? Republicans want to tie the two to Obama. Obama is not running for re-election and their attacks on Obama are therefore totally lame. The question is what specific candidates have to say on specific issues. I plan to support Clinton, vehemently, if she is the nominee, btw.
We can't have any Republican especially a PRO-TORTURE Republican win the White House.
Literally does not mean figuratively and yes I do believe that torture is literally medieval.
Do we really want to go backwards 1000 years? I would like to see more focus from Clinton and Sanders towards criticisizing the Republican frontrunner and his ultra conservative views and rude behaviour.

[RaphaelDLG]

I'm an enthusiastic Sanders supporter and Obama hater who nevertheless voted for Obama out of necessity/for Supreme Court judges/so we wouldn't invade every country in the middle east.

I think OP is right - every time Bernie has to talk about President Obama, he loses, because Democratic primary voters are for the most part dopey sheep who think Obama is a cool thoughtful persecuted guy for whom they enjoy having a handbag/t-shirt of, rather than a center-right, corporatist drone child murderer.

I think, especially with older black people, Bernie is basically screwed because Obama is like the one black person who is respected/listened to/saintly/above reproach for them (my impression is that they don't give a sh**t what people like Al Sharpton think really despite media proclamations to the contrary).

[PresidentTRUMP]

I never thought id say this in a MILLION years, but Hillary is in trouble right now against a Socialist Senator that is 75 years old.

She better carry Nevada and SC, if they are close or Bernie finds a way to pull one out this is going to go down to the wire.

I just don't see many on the left passionate about Hillary.

I will say this, shes very moderate compared to obama and Bernie and fiscally may be slightly to the right and on social issues slightly to the left. I could certainly live with a Hillary presidency as a republican.

[DS0816]

Bernie likely doomed himself by attacking President Obama rather than embracing him like Hillary did. If you look at it, in 2014 mostly all the democratic candidates that ran for senate attacked or distanced themselves from Obama and they ended up loosing badly. Hillary did the right thing by standing by Obama and defending him. That will help her a lot in the end.

How do you think Hillary Clinton fared when she mentioned her admiration of Henry Kissinger?

@ http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/hillary-clintons-ties-to-henry-kissinger-come-back-to-haunt-her/

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Does Richard Nixon's secretary of state sound to you like Hillary Clinton is a, as she has now labeled herself, "progressive?"

[DS0816]

The reason Sanders distanced himself from Obama were different from the reasons congressional Democrats distanced themselves from Obama. You must understand this, if you understand American politics at all. Otherwise you shouldn't be on this board.

Maybe you can explain why someone who runs in a Democratic primary distances himself from the most popular Democrat in the country.

Bernie Sanders isn't Barack Obama.

He's not trying to be.

But, Hillary Clinton has tried to impress on voters that she would continue Obama policies.

It hasn't been working well for her [so far].

[Antonio the Sixth]

#Hillaryhack
#Cheap-ploy
#Dishonestperson
#Peopleseethroughit

#canwininNOV
#clintoncoalition
#longtimeDEM
#mostexperienced

#boughtbywallstreet
#calledblacks"super-predators"
#votedtowarwithiraq
#cantwinagainsttrump

#weneedsomeonebetter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

#fortheloveofgodstopusinghashtagspleeeeeeeeease

[DrScholl]

It's important to remember that Sanders is not a Democrat and is only running in the Democratic primary as a convenience. He would had to build a database from scratch running as an independent. He can't stand Obama and has made that clear a long time ago.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I hurt myself today
To see if I still rose in the polls
I focus on my stump speech
The only thing that's real
The Clinton tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill my minority support
But I remember everything

What have I become
My sweetest berniebro
Everyone I know goes away
In the end
And you could have it all
My empire of delegates
I will let you down
I will make you Bernt

[The Other Castro]

I hurt myself today
To see if I still rose in the polls
I focus on my stump speech
The only thing that's real
The Clinton tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill my minority support
But I remember everything

What have I become
My sweetest berniebro
Everyone I know goes away
In the end
And you could have it all
My empire of delegates
I will let you down
I will make you Bernt

[Virginiá]

Lol ok "Clinton 2016".

Uh, by your logic your post is equally as irrelevant based on your giant Sanders signature

I think the issue has been "spun" by Clinton. As Sanders pointed out Clinton ran against Obama in 2008.

I thought about this, but while it makes for a nice sound bite, it's not a good comeback logic-wise. A great deal of Democrats didn't support Obama at first, including African Americans. They did after they got to know him and more so after seeing his presidency in action. Likewise, Clinton didn't know him or what his presidency would be like until after. And surely she knows as she went to work with her primary rival.

So the difference here is Sanders is, you could say, "running against Obama" after 8 years of him in office. It's completely different.

However, I do have to say I still think a primary candidate should be able to offer some criticism of their party's sitting president if it is warranted.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Lol ok "Clinton 2016".

Uh, by your logic your post is equally as irrelevant based on your giant Sanders signature

I think the issue has been "spun" by Clinton. As Sanders pointed out Clinton ran against Obama in 2008.

I thought about this, but while it makes for a nice sound bite, it's not a good comeback logic-wise. Most people didn't support Obama at first, including African Americans. They did after they got to know him and saw his presidency in action. Likewise, Clinton didn't know him or what his presidency would be like until after. And surely she knows as she went to work with her primary rival.

So the difference here is Sanders is, you could say, "running against Obama" after 8 years of him in office. It's completely different.

However, I do have to say I still think a primary candidate should be able to offer some criticism of their party's sitting president if it is warranted.

It's completely illogical because Joe Biden also ran against Obama in 2008. Does this mean that he is disloyal too?

[DrScholl]

Lol ok "Clinton 2016".

Uh, by your logic your post is equally as irrelevant based on your giant Sanders signature

I think the issue has been "spun" by Clinton. As Sanders pointed out Clinton ran against Obama in 2008.

I thought about this, but while it makes for a nice sound bite, it's not a good comeback logic-wise. A great deal of Democrats didn't support Obama at first, including African Americans. They did after they got to know him and more so after seeing his presidency in action. Likewise, Clinton didn't know him or what his presidency would be like until after. And surely she knows as she went to work with her primary rival.

So the difference here is Sanders is, you could say, "running against Obama" after 8 years of him in office. It's completely different.

However, I do have to say I still think a primary candidate should be able to offer some criticism of their party's sitting president if it is warranted.

I think that was an irrelevant point since Clinton was in that race before Obama. It's not like she set out to oppose him.

[This account no longer in use.]

Lol ok "Clinton 2016".

Uh, by your logic your post is equally as irrelevant based on your giant Sanders signature

I think the issue has been "spun" by Clinton. As Sanders pointed out Clinton ran against Obama in 2008.

I thought about this, but while it makes for a nice sound bite, it's not a good comeback logic-wise. A great deal of Democrats didn't support Obama at first, including African Americans. They did after they got to know him and more so after seeing his presidency in action. Likewise, Clinton didn't know him or what his presidency would be like until after. And surely she knows as she went to work with her primary rival.

So the difference here is Sanders is, you could say, "running against Obama" after 8 years of him in office. It's completely different.

However, I do have to say I still think a primary candidate should be able to offer some criticism of their party's sitting president if it is warranted.

I think that was an irrelevant point since Clinton was in that race before Obama. It's not like she set out to oppose him.

Yes, but by March, she had gone full-on raging banshee mode. Even if she didn't set out to oppose Obama, she mercilessly attacked him.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Lol ok "Clinton 2016".

Uh, by your logic your post is equally as irrelevant based on your giant Sanders signature

I think the issue has been "spun" by Clinton. As Sanders pointed out Clinton ran against Obama in 2008.

I thought about this, but while it makes for a nice sound bite, it's not a good comeback logic-wise. A great deal of Democrats didn't support Obama at first, including African Americans. They did after they got to know him and more so after seeing his presidency in action. Likewise, Clinton didn't know him or what his presidency would be like until after. And surely she knows as she went to work with her primary rival.

So the difference here is Sanders is, you could say, "running against Obama" after 8 years of him in office. It's completely different.

However, I do have to say I still think a primary candidate should be able to offer some criticism of their party's sitting president if it is warranted.

I think that was an irrelevant point since Clinton was in that race before Obama. It's not like she set out to oppose him.

Yes, but by March, she had gone full-on raging banshee mode. Even if she didn't set out to oppose Obama, she mercilessly attacked him.

LOL, Sanders advocated a primary challenge against Obama in 2012. He is no position to question anybody else's loyalty to him.

[Virginiá]

Yes, but by March, she had gone full-on raging banshee mode. Even if she didn't set out to oppose Obama, she mercilessly attacked him.

Right, but that's still not the point. Clinton, along with basically everyone else, had no idea if Obama would be a great president, a good president, or an absolutely terrible president. Now we know. Sanders response is formed to give the impression that Clinton knew all that and mercilessly ran against him anyway.

At any rate, if he wants to frame it that way, then the voters can decide whether or not Sanders' criticism is warranted or not, as is the point of this whole shindig.