Morning Consult national poll: D: Clinton 46% Sanders 39%; R: Trump 44% Cruz 17%
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« on: February 12, 2016, 07:01:44 AM »
« edited: February 12, 2016, 07:03:30 AM by Mr. Morden »

Morning Consult national poll, conducted Feb. 10-11:

http://morningconsult.com/2016/02/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-national-polling/

Dems

Clinton 46%
Sanders 39%

GOP

Trump 44%
Cruz 17%
Carson 10%
Rubio 10%
Bush 8%
Kasich 4%
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2016, 07:08:54 AM »

Among blacks:
Clinton 63%
Sanders 26%

Among Hispanics:
Clinton 52%
Sanders 44%
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2016, 07:09:43 AM »

Among blacks:
Clinton 63%
Sanders 26%

Among Hispanics:
Clinton 52%
Sanders 44%


Hispanic numbers are very good for Nevada.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2016, 07:24:51 AM »

Change Since Last Poll: (just a few days ago)

Democrats:
Sanders — +2
Clinton — -4

Republicans:
Trump — +6
Carson — +1
Bush — +2
Kasich — +2
Cruz — No Change
Rubio — -5

Also, please put the dates of the polls in the headlines, since there are basically two polls that are not dated and say different things both from Morning Consult.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2016, 07:32:47 AM »

Great numbers from Trump and Sanders. Bubble boy is tied with Carson! Ha!
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2016, 07:45:34 AM »

Trump is inching ever so closer to 50%.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2016, 07:56:30 AM »

TRUMP/Cruz/Carson over 70%...
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2016, 08:05:40 AM »

Change Since Last Poll: (just a few days ago)

Democrats:
Sanders — +2
Clinton — -4

Republicans:
Trump — +6
Carson — +1
Bush — +2
Kasich — +2
Cruz — No Change
Rubio — -5

Also, please put the dates of the polls in the headlines, since there are basically two polls that are not dated and say different things both from Morning Consult.

Fantastic numbers for Hispanics for Bernie. Only 8% gap & better than Obama was doing & I believe that could be made up & he could take the lead.

6% Swing from last time, only 7% behind overall great numbers. 63-26 Hillary lead among African Americans is not good. Is that an improvement over the last few polls thought? Any1 has break-up of AA voters of the last Morning Consult polls?
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2016, 08:16:36 AM »

If Bernie doesn't look at this and go all-in on Texas he's nuts.  Winning the big one on Super Tuesday would be a complete game-changer.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2016, 08:22:40 AM »

If Bernie doesn't look at this and go all-in on Texas he's nuts.  Winning the big one on Super Tuesday would be a complete game-changer.

San Antonio's mayor Julian Castro already endorsed Clinton.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2016, 08:26:20 AM »

If Bernie doesn't look at this and go all-in on Texas he's nuts.  Winning the big one on Super Tuesday would be a complete game-changer.

San Antonio's mayor Julian Castro already endorsed Clinton.

Oh, my mistake.  I forgot Julian Castro is the king of the brown people.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2016, 08:31:50 AM »

If their Hispanic numbers are right Sanders will win Nevada. Right now it sounds too optimistic so I'm holding off until I see it backed up in NV or other national polls.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2016, 08:43:31 AM »

If their Hispanic numbers are right Sanders will win Nevada. Right now it sounds too optimistic so I'm holding off until I see it backed up in NV or other national polls.
What makes you say that?  Its not like she's trailing with Hispanics, or with voters overall.  If this poll is accurate, in all likelihood that means she's leading in Nevada.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2016, 08:51:28 AM »

If their Hispanic numbers are right Sanders will win Nevada. Right now it sounds too optimistic so I'm holding off until I see it backed up in NV or other national polls.
What makes you say that?  Its not like she's trailing with Hispanics, or with voters overall.  If this poll is accurate, in all likelihood that means she's leading in Nevada.

She was leading by 30-35% among Hispanics, probably more. Some polls showed it tightening to 15% odd. But 8% is very low & there is not a big difference.

Sanders was leading among whites in Nevada way back before his Iowa & NH results.

I don't think he is winning Nevada but is probably close, maybe within 3-4% of Clinton!
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2016, 08:54:01 AM »

If their Hispanic numbers are right Sanders will win Nevada. Right now it sounds too optimistic so I'm holding off until I see it backed up in NV or other national polls.

I've seen other polls that have had the Hispanic difference at around 12%, so 8% really isn't an

outlier.
If their Hispanic numbers are right Sanders will win Nevada. Right now it sounds too optimistic so I'm holding off until I see it backed up in NV or other national polls.
What makes you say that?  Its not like she's trailing with Hispanics, or with voters overall.  If this poll is accurate, in all likelihood that means she's leading in Nevada.

Hispanics only made up 14-15% of the Nevada Democratic Caucus voters in 2008.
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2016, 09:37:06 AM »

If their Hispanic numbers are right Sanders will win Nevada. Right now it sounds too optimistic so I'm holding off until I see it backed up in NV or other national polls.
What makes you say that?  Its not like she's trailing with Hispanics, or with voters overall.  If this poll is accurate, in all likelihood that means she's leading in Nevada.

She was leading by 30-35% among Hispanics, probably more. Some polls showed it tightening to 15% odd. But 8% is very low & there is not a big difference.

Sanders was leading among whites in Nevada way back before his Iowa & NH results.

I don't think he is winning Nevada but is probably close, maybe within 3-4% of Clinton!

Sticking my neck out and saying he wins by one. 
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2016, 09:51:24 AM »

If their Hispanic numbers are right Sanders will win Nevada. Right now it sounds too optimistic so I'm holding off until I see it backed up in NV or other national polls.

I've seen other polls that have had the Hispanic difference at around 12%, so 8% really isn't an

outlier.
If their Hispanic numbers are right Sanders will win Nevada. Right now it sounds too optimistic so I'm holding off until I see it backed up in NV or other national polls.
What makes you say that?  Its not like she's trailing with Hispanics, or with voters overall.  If this poll is accurate, in all likelihood that means she's leading in Nevada.

Hispanics only made up 14-15% of the Nevada Democratic Caucus voters in 2008.
African Americans made up another 15%.  White voters were 65% of the electorate in 2008, compared to 91% in Iowa and 93% in New Hampshire this year.
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2016, 10:55:24 AM »

If Bernie doesn't look at this and go all-in on Texas he's nuts.  Winning the big one on Super Tuesday would be a complete game-changer.

San Antonio's mayor Julian Castro already endorsed Clinton.

Oh, my mistake.  I forgot Julian Castro is the king of the brown people.


Thank you.

This forum acts as if some random Mexican kid with rarely an inch of experience is the Democratic messiah of the next generation. Nobody knows who he is but some people from urban Texas and political junkies.
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2016, 02:21:09 PM »

Great poll on the GOP side. TRUMP is SURGING to new heights.

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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2016, 02:32:35 PM »

Quite distraught. It's sucky to see Democrats do this to themselves.
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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2016, 03:46:33 PM »

Quite distraught. It's sucky to see Democrats do this to themselves.

Yea, rejecting the opportunist Wal-Mart exec for an actual progressive.  Why do we betray ourselves so???
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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2016, 03:49:32 PM »

Quite distraught. It's sucky to see Democrats do this to themselves.

Yea, rejecting the opportunist Wal-Mart exec for an actual progressive.  Why do we betray ourselves so???

She had a largely symbolic role as token woman on the board of the largest employer in her small, impoverished state of which she was expected to play certain roles as first lady. For this she is demonized as some "ruthless exec".
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2016, 03:58:22 PM »

Quite distraught. It's sucky to see Democrats do this to themselves.

Yea, rejecting the opportunist Wal-Mart exec for an actual progressive.  Why do we betray ourselves so???

She had a largely symbolic role as token woman on the board of the largest employer in her small, impoverished state of which she was expected to play certain roles as first lady. For this she is demonized as some "ruthless exec".

Oh, that's just the tip of the iceberg. 

But you're not getting it.  She'd be perfectly acceptable in 2000 or maybe even 2004.  But all things are relative, and next to Bernie she's so easy to vote against that I can't help but bring up the reasons why.
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2016, 04:03:39 PM »

Quite distraught. It's sucky to see Democrats do this to themselves.

Yea, rejecting the opportunist Wal-Mart exec for an actual progressive.  Why do we betray ourselves so???

She had a largely symbolic role as token woman on the board of the largest employer in her small, impoverished state of which she was expected to play certain roles as first lady. For this she is demonized as some "ruthless exec".

Oh, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

The tip of the iceberg of the bullsh**t thrown at her yes, but as far as her service on the board of Wal-Mart, that pretty much explains it.
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2016, 04:11:12 PM »

Quite distraught. It's sucky to see Democrats do this to themselves.

Yea, rejecting the opportunist Wal-Mart exec for an actual progressive.  Why do we betray ourselves so???

She had a largely symbolic role as token woman on the board of the largest employer in her small, impoverished state of which she was expected to play certain roles as first lady. For this she is demonized as some "ruthless exec".

Oh, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

The tip of the iceberg of the bullsh**t thrown at her yes, but as far as her service on the board of Wal-Mart, that pretty much explains it.

I'm not aware that the First Lady of a state has to choose a role on the board of a disease like Wal-Mart as her "First Lady Project".

But the rest of the iceberg is that she doesn't seem to care about income inequality, and doesn't seem to care about money in politics.  And I don't think she cares.  I'm a big picture guy, and Bernie gets what's wrong with the big picture.  I don't care if he ignores every question and just repeats those two talking points for the rest of the campaign.  He knows what the elephant in the room is, and that we don't have time for incrementalism anymore.  I don't care that his Reddit crowd are douchebags.
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