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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2016, 09:49:19 AM »
« edited: February 13, 2016, 10:00:49 AM by RR1997 »

Trump's PM score:

Economic score: -1.55
Social score: +5.91

If you have any objections to my answers (and you think that Trump would answer differently) please let me know. I still can't believe that his economic score is in the negatives. Unbelievable hahahahaha.
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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2016, 10:31:57 AM »
« Edited: February 13, 2016, 10:36:29 AM by Ljube »

It looks we have some disagreements on what Trump's PM score would be.
This is how I think Trump would answer the questions:

1. The right to individual autonomy is important, even if it threatens collective security.
Trump's answer: Disagree Critical
He called people who complain about free speech 'foolish' when proposing 'closing down the Internet'.

2. The government should penalize organizations that practice outsourcing.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical
He's a pretty standard protectionist.

3. Giving faith-based charities the same government resources as secular organizations is a good idea.
Trump's answer: Neutral Usually Disagree
He's never commented on this issue before and it's idiot to just assume what position he'd take.

4. We should increase foreign aid to countries struggling with poverty.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Disagree
He wants to cut foreign aid.

5. We should increase funding for education.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Agree - He wants to make America Great Again

6. Heterosexual couples should receive higher marital recognition than same-sex couples.
Trump's answer: Agree Usually Disagree

7. Overall, free trade hurts more than it helps.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical

8. We should reduce the number of government programs substantially.
Trump's answer: Usually disagree

9. Abortion should be illegal or very heavily restricted.
Trump's answer: Agree Usually Disagree

10. The government should fund museums, theaters, and other cultural institutions that are unable to survive independently.
Trump's answer: Neutral Usually Agree

11. The government should subsidize health insurance for those who cannot easily afford it.
Trump's answer: Usually agree

12. The government should work to reduce children's exposure to offensive radio and television content.
Trump's answer: Disagree
His whole compaign is based around ending political correctness

13. It is unfair that wealthier people pay higher tax rates.
Trump's answer: Usually disagree
His plan does include raising capital gains tax for the rich, but it also includes deeply cutting income taxes for the rich too. He also claimed that it's a good thing that the wealthy pay more in taxes than other classes. Usually disagree is the most appropriate answer here. I could also choose usually agree if you guys want me to.

14. The minimum wage should be raised.
Trump's answer: Usally agree

15. Marijuana should be legalized.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Agree

16. Society focuses too much on forcing equality at the expense of real merit.
Trump's answer: Usually agree

17. Violating individual rights is acceptable when it comes to fighting terrorism.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical
For the same reasons as I mentioned on number 1

18. Current levels of government regulation on industry are excessive.
Trump's answer: Agree

19. The government should provide basic needs for all people.
Trump's answer: Usually agree

20. The death penalty should be an option for serious crimes.
Trump's answer: Agree

21. We should reduce the difficulty of immigration.
Trump's answer: Disagree

22. Union workers should be protected against being fired during strikes.
Trump's answer: Usually agree
He expressed support for this back in 2000, and he hasn't commented on it since, so I chose usually agree.

23. Prostitution should be legalized.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Disagree

24. Flag burning should be banned.
Trump's answer: Agree
He recently expressed support for banning flag burning

25. I support affirmative action.
Trump's answer: Agree Usually Agree
Yes, he supports AA. He stated a couple of months ago that he's 'fine' with AA. He also criticized Scalia for her anti-AA comments. He called those comments 'racist'.

26. The government should impose tariffs to protect industries from foreign competition.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical

27. Physician-assisted suicide should be legal if the patient is capable of informed, rational consent.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Agree

My results are in bold. Let's try to reach a consensus.

Economic score: -2.97
Social score: +1.39


Your score pegs you as economically center-leftist and socially center-authoritarian.

Economic center-leftists typically support above average controls on free trade, raising or maintaining the current tax levels, but still support free trade.

Social center-authoritarians generally have moderate social views, with a slight lean toward government intervention. They may have moderate cultural and religious views, but on the whole believe that the government should assure that society should stay moral.
   
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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2016, 10:43:55 AM »
« Edited: February 13, 2016, 10:52:55 AM by whitesox130 »

No, he's a far right extremist. At least right now, in office he's a wildcard.

Trump?  Far right?  You must be joking.

He's a nationalist and right-leaning populist.

He's been moving further and further to the right since announcing his campaign...
That is the trademark of a fake conservative.

Anyway, no, Trump is not a libertarian in the slightest.
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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2016, 04:48:05 PM »

He is the anti-libertarian. Worst thread in Atlas history?
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« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2016, 04:50:20 PM »

He is the anti-libertarian. Worst thread in Atlas history?

I doubt anyone seriously considers Trump a libertarian, but it's fun to feed the trolls once in a while.
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« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2016, 05:04:13 PM »

14. Trump recently came out and said that the min wage should be LOWER

16. obviously strongly agree

19. I don't think other than somewhat healthcare trump is at all in favor of an expansive welfare state.  He would oppose stuff like food stamps, college, etc.  I think neutral is appropriate because of healthcare
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« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2016, 05:05:04 PM »

lol I almost have the same PM score as trump and I would rip my ballot to shreds, light the pieces on fire, and urinate on the ashes before I would vote for him (or Hillary or Bernie). I suppose this is a lesson in the flaws of collapsing the political spectrum into a 2D plane.
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« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2016, 05:12:05 PM »

lol I almost have the same PM score as trump and I would rip my ballot to shreds, light the pieces on fire, and urinate on the ashes before I would vote for him (or Hillary or Bernie). I suppose this is a lesson in the flaws of collapsing the political spectrum into a 2D plane.

This is interesting - it could be that you and Trump get.your points from totally different questions but end up with the same.score
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« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2016, 05:22:59 PM »

It looks we have some disagreements on what Trump's PM score would be.
This is how I think Trump would answer the questions:

1. The right to individual autonomy is important, even if it threatens collective security.
Trump's answer: Disagree Critical
He called people who complain about free speech 'foolish' when proposing 'closing down the Internet'.

2. The government should penalize organizations that practice outsourcing.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical
He's a pretty standard protectionist.

3. Giving faith-based charities the same government resources as secular organizations is a good idea.
Trump's answer: Neutral Usually Disagree
He's never commented on this issue before and it's idiot to just assume what position he'd take.

4. We should increase foreign aid to countries struggling with poverty.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Disagree
He wants to cut foreign aid.

5. We should increase funding for education.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Agree - He wants to make America Great Again He's said he wants to cut the Dept of Education, and that the US spends to much on education

6. Heterosexual couples should receive higher marital recognition than same-sex couples.
Trump's answer: Agree Usually Disagree Neutral, he doesn't want gay marriage but has no problem with it either, it's the law of the land

7. Overall, free trade hurts more than it helps.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical

8. We should reduce the number of government programs substantially.
Trump's answer: Usually disagree Usually agree, he supports SS and said something really vague on healthcare, but wants to dismantle welfare

9. Abortion should be illegal or very heavily restricted.
Trump's answer: Agree Usually Disagree

10. The government should fund museums, theaters, and other cultural institutions that are unable to survive independently.
Trump's answer: Neutral Usually Agree

11. The government should subsidize health insurance for those who cannot easily afford it.
Trump's answer: Usually agree

12. The government should work to reduce children's exposure to offensive radio and television content.
Trump's answer: Disagree
His whole compaign is based around ending political correctness

13. It is unfair that wealthier people pay higher tax rates.
Trump's answer: Usually disagree
His plan does include raising capital gains tax for the rich, but it also includes deeply cutting income taxes for the rich too. He also claimed that it's a good thing that the wealthy pay more in taxes than other classes. Usually disagree is the most appropriate answer here. I could also choose usually agree if you guys want me to. Neutral

14. The minimum wage should be raised.
Trump's answer: Usally agree Disagree "Don't raise minimum wage; it makes us non-competitive."

15. Marijuana should be legalized.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Agree Usually disagree, only medicinal

16. Society focuses too much on forcing equality at the expense of real merit.
Trump's answer: Usually agree

17. Violating individual rights is acceptable when it comes to fighting terrorism.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical
For the same reasons as I mentioned on number 1

18. Current levels of government regulation on industry are excessive.
Trump's answer: Agree

19. The government should provide basic needs for all people.
Trump's answer: Usually agree Neutral

20. The death penalty should be an option for serious crimes.
Trump's answer: Agree

21. We should reduce the difficulty of immigration.
Trump's answer: Disagree Critical

22. Union workers should be protected against being fired during strikes.
Trump's answer: Usually agree
He expressed support for this back in 2000, and he hasn't commented on it since, so I chose usually agree.

23. Prostitution should be legalized.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Disagree neutral (?)

24. Flag burning should be banned.
Trump's answer: Agree
He recently expressed support for banning flag burning

25. I support affirmative action.
Trump's answer: Agree Usually Agree
Yes, he supports AA. He stated a couple of months ago that he's 'fine' with AA. He also criticized Scalia for her anti-AA comments. He called those comments 'racist'.

26. The government should impose tariffs to protect industries from foreign competition.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical

27. Physician-assisted suicide should be legal if the patient is capable of informed, rational consent.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Agree neutral

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« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2016, 05:33:40 PM »

Trump is pretty centrist, and is pretty much the opposite of anything libertarian, which is why he is winning.

When I took the matrix quiz as Trump I got:

E: -0.7
S: +2.7

On most social issues I voted Neutral for Trump: on abortion and gay marriage especially because I think he just does not care either way.

The most libertarian thing about Trump is foreign policy, and even there he masks it being very aggressive and "building up the military".
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« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2016, 07:20:37 PM »

In real life he's a moderate who votes for whomever will benefit him the most.

On the campaign trail, he's a white nationalist.
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« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2016, 10:45:31 PM »

Here's how I think Trump would answer the matrix questions:

1. The right to individual autonomy is important, even if it threatens collective security.
Disagree, This is a critical issue to him

2. The government should penalize organizations that practice outsourcing.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him

3. Giving faith-based charities the same government resources as secular organizations is a good idea.
Agree

4. We should increase foreign aid to countries struggling with poverty.
Disagree

5. We should increase funding for education.
Disagree, at least at the federal level

6. Heterosexual couples should receive higher marital recognition than same-sex couples.
Usually agree, doesn't believe in gay marriage but accepts it as the law

7. Overall, free trade hurts more than it helps.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him

8. We should reduce the number of government programs substantially.
Usually agree, vaguely worded but overall I think he wants to cut the government more than he wants to add to it.

9. Abortion should be illegal or very heavily restricted.
Agree

10. The government should fund museums, theaters, and other cultural institutions that are unable to survive independently.
Disagree

11. The government should subsidize health insurance for those who cannot easily afford it.
Agree

12. The government should work to reduce children's exposure to offensive radio and television content.
I put Neutral, he has no problem saying he wants to "bomb the s*** out of isis" at his rallies but I don't think he would want it broadcast on Nickelodeon. Either way it's not a major issue for this election.

13. It is unfair that wealthier people pay higher tax rates.
Agree

14. The minimum wage should be raised.
Disagree

15. Marijuana should be legalized.
Usually Disagree, medical only

16. Society focuses too much on forcing equality at the expense of real merit.
Agree

17. Violating individual rights is acceptable when it comes to fighting terrorism.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him

18. Current levels of government regulation on industry are excessive.
Agree

19. The government should provide basic needs for all people.
Usually disagree

20. The death penalty should be an option for serious crimes.
Agree

21. We should reduce the difficulty of immigration.
Disagree, this is a critical issue to him

22. Union workers should be protected against being fired during strikes.
Usually Agree, he's got along pretty well with unions when he's had to deal with them

23. Prostitution should be legalized.
Disagree, no politician in either party is willing to touch this issue

24. Flag burning should be banned.
Agree

25. I support affirmative action.
Usually Agree, I don't think he's ever used it himself but he's fine with it if others do.

26. The government should impose tariffs to protect industries from foreign competition.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him

27. Physician-assisted suicide should be legal if the patient is capable of informed, rational consent.
Disagree, he hasn't said anything about this but he would have to be against publicly no matter what he really thinks


Result:
Economic: +2.77
Social:+6.87
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« Reply #62 on: February 14, 2016, 01:10:39 AM »

OK, everybody agrees with:


1. The right to individual autonomy is important, even if it threatens collective security.
Disagree, This is a critical issue to him

2. The government should penalize organizations that practice outsourcing.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him



4. We should increase foreign aid to countries struggling with poverty.
Disagree



7. Overall, free trade hurts more than it helps.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him



11. The government should subsidize health insurance for those who cannot easily afford it.
Agree



15. Marijuana should be legalized.
Usually Disagree, medical only



17. Violating individual rights is acceptable when it comes to fighting terrorism.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him

18. Current levels of government regulation on industry are excessive.
Agree



20. The death penalty should be an option for serious crimes.
Agree

21. We should reduce the difficulty of immigration.
Disagree, this is a critical issue to him

22. Union workers should be protected against being fired during strikes.
Usually Agree, he's got along pretty well with unions when he's had to deal with them



24. Flag burning should be banned.
Agree

25. I support affirmative action.
Usually Agree, I don't think he's ever used it himself but he's fine with it if others do.

26. The government should impose tariffs to protect industries from foreign competition.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him


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Let's focus on the issues we don't agree.


3. Giving faith-based charities the same government resources as secular organizations is a good idea.
He has not commented on this and he is not religious at all, so let's say NEUTRAL.



5. We should increase funding for education.
Disagree, at least at the federal level, but agree on the state/local level. Let's put a compromise NEUTRAL here.

6. Heterosexual couples should receive higher marital recognition than same-sex couples.
Usually agree, doesn't believe in gay marriage but accepts it as the law. That's not usually agree. If anything, that's usually disagree. Since he doesn't care about this issue, I suggest we put NEUTRAL here.



8. We should reduce the number of government programs substantially.
Usually agree, vaguely worded but overall I think he wants to cut the government more than he wants to add to it. He is a big government populist. I think he wants to expand the government programs, to make America safe and great again. I propose a compromise position of NEUTRAL.

9. Abortion should be illegal or very heavily restricted.
Agree. He said he is very much pro choice. Therefore, since he changed his position to run in the Republican primary, I suggest we put USUALLY DISAGREE, which was my proposal. We know his real positionon this is disagree.

10. The government should fund museums, theaters, and other cultural institutions that are unable to survive independently.
Disagree. He hasn't said anything about this, so I suggest we accept NEUTRAL.



12. The government should work to reduce children's exposure to offensive radio and television content.
I put Neutral, he has no problem saying he wants to "bomb the s*** out of isis" at his rallies but I don't think he would want it broadcast on Nickelodeon. Either way it's not a major issue for this election.
I really think he is against PC. That's the key aspect of his appeal and why I like him. I think we must accept DISAGREE here.

13. It is unfair that wealthier people pay higher tax rates.
Agree. He said he would tax the wealthier more. So, it has to be disagree, but let's set the compromise position to USUALLY DISAGREE.

14. The minimum wage should be raised.
Disagree. He said that the wage will be higher for everybody, but he did also say that if we increased the minimum wage we would not be competitive. I suggest USUALLY DISAGREE.



16. Society focuses too much on forcing equality at the expense of real merit.
Agree. I don't think he is this adamant about this topic. Majority position here is USUALLY AGREE. I hope we can accept this position.



19. The government should provide basic needs for all people.
Usually disagree. Free healthcare, social security, etc. He wants to provide all of that. Since he also wants to reduce some of that, I suggest the compromise position of NEUTRAL.



23. Prostitution should be legalized.
Disagree, no politician in either party is willing to touch this issue. He hasn't made any comments on this, so I suggest we accept a compromise position of USUALLY DISAGREE.



27. Physician-assisted suicide should be legal if the patient is capable of informed, rational consent.
Disagree, he hasn't said anything about this but he would have to be against publicly no matter what he really thinks. He hasn't said anything, so let's put NEUTRAL here.
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« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2016, 01:17:41 AM »

With these compromisa answers, I get the following score:

Economic score: -1.35
Social score: +3.22


Your score pegs you as economically center-leftist and socially moderately authoritarian.

Economic center-leftists typically support above average controls on free trade, raising or maintaining the current tax levels, but still support free trade.

Moderate social authoritarians typically support social controls meant to encourage moral behavior and an organized society, although they may have some moderate or libertarian positions.


So, TRUMP is at least somewhat libertarian.
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« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2016, 01:28:00 AM »

Theoretically I agree with Trump on a couple of issues and ever test pegs me as a moderate libertarian leaning somewhat rightward and Trump ends up most of the time being in my top three lists of candidate who share their ideology with be (After Rand and Ted) after alternating with Rubio sometimes.

Does that mean he is libertarian or that I'll ever vote for him? NOPE.
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