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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,067
Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« on: February 13, 2016, 12:35:08 AM »

What would Trump be on the political compass?  Relative to Cruz he'd be like two notches to the left and two notches upward, at like +9 authoritarian, +7 economic?

The only issues he's remotely "libertarian" on socially speaking are gun control, the Iraq War.  Dude is fascist in that he's mostly right wing with a few left wing things like protectionism and healthcare, and extremely nationalist militaristic. 

I mean this is the dude that wants an even bigger military and wants to bomb countries and take their oil, he's hardly a dove.  His big shtick is also that he believes that white American culture is better than everything else, which is not really libertarian.

No he said take their oil after we had gotten in, but that we should never have gotten in to begin with. It is not the same as starting a war for oil.

Protectionism is not left-wing historically. It has a hundred plus years of history in the GOP and has historically been associated with the right.

Sure, but on things like the political matrix you definitely get left wing points because it is a decidedly anti-free market policy.

I took the quiz and answered the questions the way Donald Trump would. Here were my results:
Economic score: +0.26
Social score: +6.26

Interesting. I took the quiz too and answered the questions the way TRUMP would. Here are my results:
Economic score: -0.32
Social score: +0.61

I think you didn't answer all questions the way TRUMP would.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,067
Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2016, 12:37:41 AM »

No; Trump is farther to the left economically than he is socially.

Exactly, but not too far left.
As you can see from my score which I got answering the questions in the way TRUMP would, he is clearly a moderate (slightly left economically and slightly right socially).
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,067
Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2016, 12:39:52 AM »

He's not, but he draws a lot of his support from those who supported Ron Paul in 2012.

Absolutely true. I was a Ron Paul supporter, but ended up being a Romney supporter. Now, I am a TRUMP supporter. True libertarian, that's my name.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,067
Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2016, 10:31:57 AM »
« Edited: February 13, 2016, 10:36:29 AM by Ljube »

It looks we have some disagreements on what Trump's PM score would be.
This is how I think Trump would answer the questions:

1. The right to individual autonomy is important, even if it threatens collective security.
Trump's answer: Disagree Critical
He called people who complain about free speech 'foolish' when proposing 'closing down the Internet'.

2. The government should penalize organizations that practice outsourcing.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical
He's a pretty standard protectionist.

3. Giving faith-based charities the same government resources as secular organizations is a good idea.
Trump's answer: Neutral Usually Disagree
He's never commented on this issue before and it's idiot to just assume what position he'd take.

4. We should increase foreign aid to countries struggling with poverty.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Disagree
He wants to cut foreign aid.

5. We should increase funding for education.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Agree - He wants to make America Great Again

6. Heterosexual couples should receive higher marital recognition than same-sex couples.
Trump's answer: Agree Usually Disagree

7. Overall, free trade hurts more than it helps.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical

8. We should reduce the number of government programs substantially.
Trump's answer: Usually disagree

9. Abortion should be illegal or very heavily restricted.
Trump's answer: Agree Usually Disagree

10. The government should fund museums, theaters, and other cultural institutions that are unable to survive independently.
Trump's answer: Neutral Usually Agree

11. The government should subsidize health insurance for those who cannot easily afford it.
Trump's answer: Usually agree

12. The government should work to reduce children's exposure to offensive radio and television content.
Trump's answer: Disagree
His whole compaign is based around ending political correctness

13. It is unfair that wealthier people pay higher tax rates.
Trump's answer: Usually disagree
His plan does include raising capital gains tax for the rich, but it also includes deeply cutting income taxes for the rich too. He also claimed that it's a good thing that the wealthy pay more in taxes than other classes. Usually disagree is the most appropriate answer here. I could also choose usually agree if you guys want me to.

14. The minimum wage should be raised.
Trump's answer: Usally agree

15. Marijuana should be legalized.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Agree

16. Society focuses too much on forcing equality at the expense of real merit.
Trump's answer: Usually agree

17. Violating individual rights is acceptable when it comes to fighting terrorism.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical
For the same reasons as I mentioned on number 1

18. Current levels of government regulation on industry are excessive.
Trump's answer: Agree

19. The government should provide basic needs for all people.
Trump's answer: Usually agree

20. The death penalty should be an option for serious crimes.
Trump's answer: Agree

21. We should reduce the difficulty of immigration.
Trump's answer: Disagree

22. Union workers should be protected against being fired during strikes.
Trump's answer: Usually agree
He expressed support for this back in 2000, and he hasn't commented on it since, so I chose usually agree.

23. Prostitution should be legalized.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Disagree

24. Flag burning should be banned.
Trump's answer: Agree
He recently expressed support for banning flag burning

25. I support affirmative action.
Trump's answer: Agree Usually Agree
Yes, he supports AA. He stated a couple of months ago that he's 'fine' with AA. He also criticized Scalia for her anti-AA comments. He called those comments 'racist'.

26. The government should impose tariffs to protect industries from foreign competition.
Trump's answer: Agree Critical

27. Physician-assisted suicide should be legal if the patient is capable of informed, rational consent.
Trump's answer: Disagree Usually Agree

My results are in bold. Let's try to reach a consensus.

Economic score: -2.97
Social score: +1.39


Your score pegs you as economically center-leftist and socially center-authoritarian.

Economic center-leftists typically support above average controls on free trade, raising or maintaining the current tax levels, but still support free trade.

Social center-authoritarians generally have moderate social views, with a slight lean toward government intervention. They may have moderate cultural and religious views, but on the whole believe that the government should assure that society should stay moral.
   
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,067
Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2016, 01:10:39 AM »

OK, everybody agrees with:


1. The right to individual autonomy is important, even if it threatens collective security.
Disagree, This is a critical issue to him

2. The government should penalize organizations that practice outsourcing.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him



4. We should increase foreign aid to countries struggling with poverty.
Disagree



7. Overall, free trade hurts more than it helps.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him



11. The government should subsidize health insurance for those who cannot easily afford it.
Agree



15. Marijuana should be legalized.
Usually Disagree, medical only



17. Violating individual rights is acceptable when it comes to fighting terrorism.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him

18. Current levels of government regulation on industry are excessive.
Agree



20. The death penalty should be an option for serious crimes.
Agree

21. We should reduce the difficulty of immigration.
Disagree, this is a critical issue to him

22. Union workers should be protected against being fired during strikes.
Usually Agree, he's got along pretty well with unions when he's had to deal with them



24. Flag burning should be banned.
Agree

25. I support affirmative action.
Usually Agree, I don't think he's ever used it himself but he's fine with it if others do.

26. The government should impose tariffs to protect industries from foreign competition.
Agree, this is a critical issue to him


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Let's focus on the issues we don't agree.


3. Giving faith-based charities the same government resources as secular organizations is a good idea.
He has not commented on this and he is not religious at all, so let's say NEUTRAL.



5. We should increase funding for education.
Disagree, at least at the federal level, but agree on the state/local level. Let's put a compromise NEUTRAL here.

6. Heterosexual couples should receive higher marital recognition than same-sex couples.
Usually agree, doesn't believe in gay marriage but accepts it as the law. That's not usually agree. If anything, that's usually disagree. Since he doesn't care about this issue, I suggest we put NEUTRAL here.



8. We should reduce the number of government programs substantially.
Usually agree, vaguely worded but overall I think he wants to cut the government more than he wants to add to it. He is a big government populist. I think he wants to expand the government programs, to make America safe and great again. I propose a compromise position of NEUTRAL.

9. Abortion should be illegal or very heavily restricted.
Agree. He said he is very much pro choice. Therefore, since he changed his position to run in the Republican primary, I suggest we put USUALLY DISAGREE, which was my proposal. We know his real positionon this is disagree.

10. The government should fund museums, theaters, and other cultural institutions that are unable to survive independently.
Disagree. He hasn't said anything about this, so I suggest we accept NEUTRAL.



12. The government should work to reduce children's exposure to offensive radio and television content.
I put Neutral, he has no problem saying he wants to "bomb the s*** out of isis" at his rallies but I don't think he would want it broadcast on Nickelodeon. Either way it's not a major issue for this election.
I really think he is against PC. That's the key aspect of his appeal and why I like him. I think we must accept DISAGREE here.

13. It is unfair that wealthier people pay higher tax rates.
Agree. He said he would tax the wealthier more. So, it has to be disagree, but let's set the compromise position to USUALLY DISAGREE.

14. The minimum wage should be raised.
Disagree. He said that the wage will be higher for everybody, but he did also say that if we increased the minimum wage we would not be competitive. I suggest USUALLY DISAGREE.



16. Society focuses too much on forcing equality at the expense of real merit.
Agree. I don't think he is this adamant about this topic. Majority position here is USUALLY AGREE. I hope we can accept this position.



19. The government should provide basic needs for all people.
Usually disagree. Free healthcare, social security, etc. He wants to provide all of that. Since he also wants to reduce some of that, I suggest the compromise position of NEUTRAL.



23. Prostitution should be legalized.
Disagree, no politician in either party is willing to touch this issue. He hasn't made any comments on this, so I suggest we accept a compromise position of USUALLY DISAGREE.



27. Physician-assisted suicide should be legal if the patient is capable of informed, rational consent.
Disagree, he hasn't said anything about this but he would have to be against publicly no matter what he really thinks. He hasn't said anything, so let's put NEUTRAL here.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,067
Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2016, 01:17:41 AM »

With these compromisa answers, I get the following score:

Economic score: -1.35
Social score: +3.22


Your score pegs you as economically center-leftist and socially moderately authoritarian.

Economic center-leftists typically support above average controls on free trade, raising or maintaining the current tax levels, but still support free trade.

Moderate social authoritarians typically support social controls meant to encourage moral behavior and an organized society, although they may have some moderate or libertarian positions.


So, TRUMP is at least somewhat libertarian.
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