Is Trump a libertarian?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What would Trump be on the political compass?  Relative to Cruz he'd be like two notches to the left and two notches upward, at like +9 authoritarian, +7 economic?

The only issues he's remotely "libertarian" on socially speaking are gun control, the Iraq War.  Dude is fascist in that he's mostly right wing with a few left wing things like protectionism and healthcare, and extremely nationalist militaristic. 

I mean this is the dude that wants an even bigger military and wants to bomb countries and take their oil, he's hardly a dove.  His big shtick is also that he believes that white American culture is better than everything else, which is not really libertarian.

No he said take their oil after we had gotten in, but that we should never have gotten in to begin with. It is not the same as starting a war for oil.

Protectionism is not left-wing historically. It has a hundred plus years of history in the GOP and has historically been associated with the right.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What would Trump be on the political compass?  Relative to Cruz he'd be like two notches to the left and two notches upward, at like +9 authoritarian, +7 economic?

The only issues he's remotely "libertarian" on socially speaking are gun control, the Iraq War.  Dude is fascist in that he's mostly right wing with a few left wing things like protectionism and healthcare, and extremely nationalist militaristic. 

I mean this is the dude that wants an even bigger military and wants to bomb countries and take their oil, he's hardly a dove.  His big shtick is also that he believes that white American culture is better than everything else, which is not really libertarian.

No he said take their oil after we had gotten in, but that we should never have gotten in to begin with. It is not the same as starting a war for oil.

Protectionism is not left-wing historically. It has a hundred plus years of history in the GOP and has historically been associated with the right.

Sure, but on things like the political matrix you definitely get left wing points because it is a decidedly anti-free market policy.

Conservatism is not libertarianism. The whole notion of an embrace of smaller government by Conservatism is a Progressive Era reaction to the growth in gov't as people began to find it inconvenient, their you had a newborn conservative. Whether it is a taxed business or a guy whose farm got regulated by a gov't agency, or an oil well that got shut down for not meeting EPA standards.

Conservatism has historically been associated with strengthening the country (Northern) or cultural preservationism (Southern). Neither were too concerned with government until it got up in their grill (I also have issues with assigning any ideological label to the latter group since their politics were so incoherent and inconsistent by necessity, but I will set that aside for right now). Trump appeals to both, but on the military and economy it is decidely of that northern, Hamiltonian approach. Strong military and Economy in the face of foreign competitors. And you see that on issues like trade, eminent domain and so forth. That is why it is not quite accurate to use the term Paleocon because a large number of them are anti-growth and anti-development coming from that more Southern heritage, whereas Trump gets aroused by big buildings and big factories.

With the rise of the sunbelt GOP and the success of people like Reagan, you had an embrace of free trade and immigration because the business interests of the sunbelt (like everywhere, were those first to support the party) preferred those policies.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What would Trump be on the political compass?  Relative to Cruz he'd be like two notches to the left and two notches upward, at like +9 authoritarian, +7 economic?

The only issues he's remotely "libertarian" on socially speaking are gun control, the Iraq War.  Dude is fascist in that he's mostly right wing with a few left wing things like protectionism and healthcare, and extremely nationalist militaristic. 

I mean this is the dude that wants an even bigger military and wants to bomb countries and take their oil, he's hardly a dove.  His big shtick is also that he believes that white American culture is better than everything else, which is not really libertarian.

No he said take their oil after we had gotten in, but that we should never have gotten in to begin with. It is not the same as starting a war for oil.

Protectionism is not left-wing historically. It has a hundred plus years of history in the GOP and has historically been associated with the right.

Sure, but on things like the political matrix you definitely get left wing points because it is a decidedly anti-free market policy.

I took the quiz and answered the questions the way Donald Trump would. Here were my results:
Economic score: +0.26
Social score: +6.26

Isn't that what MasterJedi's score used to be?

We once had a fascist on here whose score was like 0.25 and 0.54. Horshoe theory, much?

Mine was +4, +3 and that was with supporting a minimum wage hike and heavy regulations on banks.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What would Trump be on the political compass?  Relative to Cruz he'd be like two notches to the left and two notches upward, at like +9 authoritarian, +7 economic?

The only issues he's remotely "libertarian" on socially speaking are gun control, the Iraq War.  Dude is fascist in that he's mostly right wing with a few left wing things like protectionism and healthcare, and extremely nationalist militaristic. 

I mean this is the dude that wants an even bigger military and wants to bomb countries and take their oil, he's hardly a dove.  His big shtick is also that he believes that white American culture is better than everything else, which is not really libertarian.

No he said take their oil after we had gotten in, but that we should never have gotten in to begin with. It is not the same as starting a war for oil.

Protectionism is not left-wing historically. It has a hundred plus years of history in the GOP and has historically been associated with the right.

Sure, but on things like the political matrix you definitely get left wing points because it is a decidedly anti-free market policy.

Conservatism is not libertarianism. The whole notion of an embrace of smaller government by Conservatism is a Progressive Era reaction to the growth in gov't as people began to find it inconvenient, their you had a newborn conservative. Whether it is a taxed business or a guy whose farm got regulated by a gov't agency, or an oil well that got shut down for not meeting EPA standards.

Conservatism has historically been associated with strengthening the country (Northern) or cultural preservationism (Southern). Neither were too concerned with government until it got up in their grill (I also have issues with assigning any ideological label to the latter group since their politics were so incoherent and inconsistent by necessity, but I will set that aside for right now). Trump appeals to both, but on the military and economy it is decidely of that northern, Hamiltonian approach. Strong military and Economy in the face of foreign competitors. And you see that on issues like trade, eminent domain and so forth. That is why it is not quite accurate to use the term Paleocon because a large number of them are anti-growth and anti-development coming from that more Southern heritage, whereas Trump gets aroused by big buildings and big factories.

With the rise of the sunbelt GOP and the success of people like Reagan, you had an embrace of free trade and immigration because the business interests of the sunbelt (like everywhere, were those first to support the party) preferred those policies.

Yeah, well, I don't disagree with anything that you said and you described several strains of ideology in America typically called "conservative" quite well.  If I had used the word "conservative" than what you said would be relevant.  I said "right-wing," which mostly has an economic connotation and can like you said can be libertarian or authoritarian.

Not really, because the biggest fish that the right wing umbrella brings in is fascism. Conservatism is more free market then some of the strains of right wingery.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Conservatism also has an application model or method bearing its name that brings with it a degree of restrain and legalism, that is also not implied or fundamental if someone is just right wing.