rank the 50 states

[MaC]

Am I the only one tired of the red/blue state divide?  Let's try another division.

Rank the 50 states as either populist, moderate, or libertarian as they lean.  I wish I was better traveled so my observations were more acute. I don't know about all of them, but I'll try naming some.  If you can map a map, it might be easier...

Arkansas-populist
Michigan-moderate, probably libertarian leaning in some respects
West Virginia-populist
Kentucky-populist
New Hampshire-libertarian (strong leaning)
Pennsylvania-libertarian
New Mexico-moderate, the libertarians and populist people cancel eachother out
Nevada-libertarian
Georgia-moderate, but a tough call, strong state for Harry Browne in '96, Dibble lives there, but they voted for Zell Miller, one of the most populist politicians.

[Smash255]

Am I the only one tired of the red/blue state divide?  Let's try another division.

Rank the 50 states as either populist, moderate, or libertarian as they lean.  I wish I was better traveled so my observations were more acute. I don't know about all of them, but I'll try naming some.  If you can map a map, it might be easier...

Arkansas-populist
Michigan-moderate, probably libertarian leaning in some respects
West Virginia-populist
Kentucky-populist
New Hampshire-libertarian (strong leaning)
Pennsylvania-libertarian
New Mexico-moderate, the libertarians and populist people cancel eachother out
Nevada-libertarian
Georgia-moderate, but a tough call, strong state for Harry Browne in '96, Dibble lives there, but they voted for Zell Miller, one of the most populist politicians.

I would say PA depends on the part of the state.  SE PA especially the Philly burbs definatley lean libertarian, the Western Part of the state(especially outside of Pittsburgh) is very populist

[Alcon]

My guess would be:



Red is populist, blue is libertarian.

[minionofmidas]

Not bad at all, although I have quibbles with Michigan, South Dakota (too libertarian), Utah, Maryland, Virginia (too populist), perhaps a couple more.

[Alcon]

Not bad at all, although I have quibbles with Michigan, South Dakota (too libertarian), Utah, Maryland, Virginia (too populist), perhaps a couple more.

I actually agree with all of your complaints. Changed.

[TeePee4Prez]

Am I the only one tired of the red/blue state divide?  Let's try another division.

Rank the 50 states as either populist, moderate, or libertarian as they lean.  I wish I was better traveled so my observations were more acute. I don't know about all of them, but I'll try naming some.  If you can map a map, it might be easier...

Arkansas-populist
Michigan-moderate, probably libertarian leaning in some respects
West Virginia-populist
Kentucky-populist
New Hampshire-libertarian (strong leaning)
Pennsylvania-libertarian
New Mexico-moderate, the libertarians and populist people cancel eachother out
Nevada-libertarian
Georgia-moderate, but a tough call, strong state for Harry Browne in '96, Dibble lives there, but they voted for Zell Miller, one of the most populist politicians.

I would say PA depends on the part of the state.  SE PA especially the Philly burbs definatley lean libertarian, the Western Part of the state(especially outside of Pittsburgh) is very populist

PA is moderate. 

[FerrisBueller86]

Illinois is more libertarian overall, though it varies widely across the state.  Downstate Illinois has more in common with the South than with Chicago.

However, I think Illinois leans slightly libertarian, mainly because of the Chicago suburbs.  A substantial portion of the Republicans are pro-choice, including past governors Jim Thompson and Jim Edgar.  The collar counties (like Lake and DuPage) are now only slightly Republican instead of heavily Republican as they were in the past.

[FerrisBueller86]

How could Lincoln Chafee be elected in Rhode Island?  I thought that a liberal Republican doesn't sell well among populists, especially socially conservative populists (which many of you have said is the tone of the state).

[FerrisBueller86]

Why did many of the populist states vote for Ford in 1976 and Nixon in 1960?  Why did some of the libertarian states vote for Carter in 1976 and Kennedy in 1960?

[minionofmidas]

Funnily enough, libertarian Republicans do play well with one type of populist Democrats, and vice versa. I think it's the "maverick", "not a partisan hack" angle.

[Bono]

My guess would be:



Red is populist, blue is libertarian.

hawaii is very populist.

[Alcon]

My guess would be:



Red is populist, blue is libertarian.

hawaii is very populist.

Really? I always got the impression that Honolulu was very libertarian.

[MaC]

I would think that perhaps Indiana would be less populist, and Idaho a bit more libertarian.  States like Texas and Florida would really be hard to say.  I would think both would be rather socially conservative, however the socially liberal areas might cancel them out.

[Alcon]

I would think that perhaps Indiana would be less populist, and Idaho a bit more libertarian.  States like Texas and Florida would really be hard to say.  I would think both would be rather socially conservative, however the socially liberal areas might cancel them out.

Idaho has a lot of populists in the south. People think of it as northern Idaho, which does not represent the state as a whole. It is libertarian, narrowly.

[Cashcow]

My guess would be:



Red is populist, blue is libertarian.

hawaii is very populist.

Really? I always got the impression that Honolulu was very libertarian.

Population of Honolulu: 371,657
Population of Hawaii: 1,211,537



On the other hand, I get the same impression.

[Alcon]

My guess would be:



Red is populist, blue is libertarian.

hawaii is very populist.

Really? I always got the impression that Honolulu was very libertarian.

Population of Honolulu: 371,657
Population of Hawaii: 1,211,537



On the other hand, I get the same impression.

Point taken, although I was actually referring to the island of Honolulu, which cast 70% of the votes for the state in 2004.

Sorry for the ambiguity.

[Colin]

My guess would be:



Red is populist, blue is libertarian.

hawaii is very populist.

Really? I always got the impression that Honolulu was very libertarian.

Population of Honolulu: 371,657
Population of Hawaii: 1,211,537



On the other hand, I get the same impression.

Point taken, although I was actually referring to the island of Honolulu, which cast 70% of the votes for the state in 2004.

Sorry for the ambiguity.

Theirs an island of Honolulu now? When was that created? Unless you mean Oahu.

[Cashcow]

I think you mean Oahu

Edit: Colin beat me to it

[Alcon]

Yeah, you're right.

I was taking it from the Atlas - it's Honolulu County, which for all I can tell is the same thing as the island of Oahu.

Oahu/Honolulu County/the island thingy Honolulu is on. That place.

[minionofmidas]

Yeah, you're right.

I was taking it from the Atlas - it's Honolulu County, which for all I can tell is the same thing as the island of Oahu.

Yeah, same thing.

[bgwah]

Honolulu is not a city. That 371K number is just BS from the census because Hawaii doesn't exactly have cities.

Really, the entire county (so yes, all of Oahu) would be more accurate since the main local government is the county government.

[jokerman]

There is no way Montana is liberatarian.  I don't know where the hell anyone got that idea. 

Here my map:
Dark Blue: Strong Libertarian
Blue: Libertarian Leaning
Lightest Blue: Barely Libertarian
Lightest Red: Barely Populist
Red: Populist Leaning
Dark Red: Strong Populist

[Alcon]

Washington and New York, populist-leaning? And Nebraska libertarian-leaning? And for that matter, Montana populist-leaning? That's a very odd map.

[Akno21]

Montana made a big fuss about being against the Patriot Act, they're small government people.

[Cashcow]

What the hell, New Jersey is not "populist."