Antonin Scalia's Death and the Democratic Primary
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« on: February 13, 2016, 07:29:31 PM »

Does Hillary or Bernie get an advantage from the Supreme Court being continually in the news up until next year? 
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2016, 07:33:05 PM »

Hillary for certain.
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2016, 07:40:30 PM »

I would think Clinton because she's (at least perceived as) more electable, but are there any major differences in what a Clinton vs. Sanders SCOTUS appointee would be like?
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2016, 07:44:20 PM »

This isn't as urgent a matter for the Dems as it is for the GOP, since the court can't really get any more right-wing from any Cruz/Trump appointee. But yes, it will help Hillary.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2016, 07:45:29 PM »

Clinton, who is close to Obama.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2016, 07:46:24 PM »

Hillary, of course.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2016, 07:47:13 PM »

Bernie because he does better in general election polls
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2016, 07:52:03 PM »

Bernie because he does better in general election polls

Sanders because his supporters are delusional enough to believe that he has a better chance of winning.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2016, 07:58:14 PM »

Clinton probably (though this doesn't seem like a huge factor), assuming Obama looks like he's going to be unable to appoint someone.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2016, 07:58:27 PM »

Bernie will fire the base up by promising to have some balls and appoint a liberal. Hillary will be a coward of consensus who will likely dodge naming names and just blame the GOP along with Obama.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2016, 07:59:48 PM »

Clinton, because it brings to mind Bush v Gore and Gore was unjustly denied the recount, who was Veep.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2016, 08:10:08 PM »

I don't see this impacting the primary at all.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2016, 08:16:40 PM »

It'll make Democrats (and Republicans) more risk-averse, which helps Hillary. And the chance of her picking as a running mate a senator whose seat the GOP could pick up just plummeted.
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2016, 08:19:36 PM »

I'm inclined to agree with Eraserhead, but OC brings up a point that I hadn't considered:

Clinton, because it brings to mind Bush v Gore and Gore was unjustly denied the recount, who was Veep.

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2016, 08:23:08 PM »

I'm inclined to agree with Eraserhead, but OC brings up a point that I hadn't considered:

Clinton, because it brings to mind Bush v Gore and Gore was unjustly denied the recount, who was Veep.



Gore and Hillary aren't really BFFs, though.
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2016, 08:24:27 PM »

Bernie because he does better in general election polls

For the 150th time, GE polls when the primaries aren't decided are meaningless.
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2016, 08:24:42 PM »

I'm inclined to agree with Eraserhead, but OC brings up a point that I hadn't considered:

Clinton, because it brings to mind Bush v Gore and Gore was unjustly denied the recount, who was Veep.



Gore and Hillary aren't really BFFs, though.

I kid, jfern, I have no idea what that bout of word salad actually means.
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2016, 08:29:59 PM »

Bernie because he does better in general election polls

For the 150th time, GE polls when the primaries aren't decided are meaningless.

Even actual electability is meaningless as far as this question is concerned. All that matters is perception of risk and it will be fairly easy for Hillary to convince people Bernie is the bigger risk. There's a decent chance the primary effectively ended today.
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2016, 08:34:29 PM »

Bernie because he does better in general election polls

For the 150th time, GE polls when the primaries aren't decided are meaningless.

Don't try to argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and defeat you thanks to his experience.
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2016, 08:35:22 PM »

It will help Clinton because the perception remains among voters (accurate IMO, although it will be challenged by Sanders supporters pointing to selected polls) that Clinton is more electable than Sanders, particularly if up against Trump.

Also, it will remind people that Sanders' few pet issues are not the only ones that will be decided in November, it buys into Clinton's "not a single issue election" narrative.

Finally, as I mentioned earlier, Clinton supporters now have a much better comeback against the attacks on her for having a Super PAC because, her appointing a Justice who overturns Citizens' United and thus shuts down Super PACs has now become a much more concrete possibility than anything else either of the two candidates have debated so far.
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2016, 08:40:07 PM »

I'm inclined to agree with Eraserhead, but OC brings up a point that I hadn't considered:

Clinton, because it brings to mind Bush v Gore and Gore was unjustly denied the recount, who was Veep.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3fVj8A-K8E
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2016, 08:42:51 PM »

Just mentioning it, some pundits argue that the most shrewd move by Hillary would be to pledge to appoint Obama if she is elected president.
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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2016, 11:07:52 PM »

Bernie because he does better in general election polls

For the 150th time, GE polls when the primaries aren't decided are meaningless.

Even actual electability is meaningless as far as this question is concerned. All that matters is perception of risk and it will be fairly easy for Hillary to convince people Bernie is the bigger risk. There's a decent chance the primary effectively ended today.

That's kind of overstating things. The supreme court has always been an issue for both parties. This made it slightly more real, but it's not like Sanders's supporters are suddenly going to abandon him because Scalia died.

I mean, I think Hillary is practically inevitable anyway, but this one event isn't the reason why.
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2016, 11:32:43 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2016, 12:52:35 AM »

Bernie because he does better in general election polls

Sanders because his supporters are delusional enough to believe that he has a better chance of winning.

Clinton is unelectable in a general, there is nothing delusional about it. If you can not get independents you have lost the election. In addition Sanders is getting huge youth n some crossover vote. Hillary's vote any Tom, dick n Harry for the dem party can get. Those r in the bank.

Add Hillary's horrible favorability rating
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