Who won Bush vs. Trump

[Progressive]

Bush looks mad

[Pyro]

Jeb is a mess

[Oak Hills]

They both lost.

[pepper11]

LOL. Trump just got destroyed.

[Higgs]

Definitely Jeb. Republicans will not like Trump's argument that Bush is responsible for 9/11

[Bigby]

Neither.

[Penelope]

Trump destroyed Bush.

This, but it is unclear whether it will have been worth it.

[NHI]

Hard to say... may be 51-49 (Trump over Bush).
SC is still Bush country as evidence by the crowd tonight, but we'll know better this time next week...

[President Johnson]

TRUMP gave the now energy guy hell.

[Torie]

They both lost.

The nasty squabbling between the two, did neither any good. And Jeb! complaining about attacks on his family, made him seem like he was using his family as a shield. He can't seem to convey that he is his own man.

[Shadows]

IMO Trump looked very stupid in the exchange & Jeb actually did well considering he had no leg to stand & should have been decimated. But then Jeb is not that good & low energy so who knows!

I don't see Trump gaining anything positive out of this

[Reaganfan]

I was 13 years old when 9/11 and the aftermath occurred. Anybody who was there knows that the country was so shocked, so rallied to the President, that nothing Donald Trump said makes any sense. Bush was a new President faced with the biggest crisis since Pearl Harbor and he delivered. You saw it in his historic making approval ratings which held above 70% into late 2003. You saw it with the country rallying to his side.

Never...never did anyone come out on 9/12/2001 and say "It's Bush's fault". In fact, while neither President was really blamed, it became more of an off-color discussion about the foreign policy failures of Bill Clinton than George W. Bush. Remember the distasteful humor "Clinton was busy with Monica while OBL was planning 9/11". The attacks were planned for 5 1/2 years. Bush was only President seven months of them. The hijackers were in his country flight training before Election 2000.

So when Trump uses that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch thing, he's stepping into territory even liberals didn't go into.

[PaperKooper]

I was 13 years old when 9/11 and the aftermath occurred. Anybody who was there knows that the country was so shocked, so rallied to the President, that nothing Donald Trump said makes any sense. Bush was a new President faced with the biggest crisis since Pearl Harbor and he delivered. You saw it in his historic making approval ratings which held above 70% into late 2003. You saw it with the country rallying to his side.

Never...never did anyone come out on 9/12/2001 and say "It's Bush's fault". In fact, while neither President was really blamed, it became more of an off-color discussion about the foreign policy failures of Bill Clinton than George W. Bush. Remember the distasteful humor "Clinton was busy with Monica while OBL was planning 9/11". The attacks were planned for 5 1/2 years. Bush was only President seven months of them. The hijackers were in his country flight training before Election 2000.

So when Trump uses that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch thing, he's stepping into territory even liberals didn't go into.

^truth

[PeteB]

Conventional wisdom would have Bush as a winner but once you take into account past debates and body language, I would give this one narrowly to Trump.

[Beezer]

Trump's response is right when you take into account that Jeb's argument is "my brother kept us safe." Sorry, but when the biggest attack on the US mainland occurs under the watch of your brother, it's pretty difficult to claim that he kept anyone safe. Doesn't mean Dubya is (primarily) responsible for 9/11 just that he didn't exactly do a particularly good job on that front.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Trump basically flew two metaphorical aeroplanes into Jeb and his brother.

[Reaganfan]

Trump's response is right when you take into account that Jeb's argument is "my brother kept us safe." Sorry, but when the biggest attack on the US mainland occurs under the watch of your brother, it's pretty difficult to claim that he kept anyone safe. Doesn't mean Dubya is (primarily) responsible for 9/11 just that he didn't exactly do a particularly good job on that front.

It was always an after-9/11 safeness. During the 2004 campaign it was that Bush is "keeping us safe". To be honest, no attacks happened on Bush's watch following 9/11.

[Reaganfan]

Conventional wisdom would have Bush as a winner but once you take into account past debates and body language, I would give this one narrowly to Trump.

I do have to admit I laughed when Bush said, "This is the same guy who gets his foreign policy experience from 'the shows'". That was a good line.

[Angel of Death]

Trump's response is right when you take into account that Jeb's argument is "my brother kept us safe." Sorry, but when the biggest attack on the US mainland occurs under the watch of your brother, it's pretty difficult to claim that he kept anyone safe. Doesn't mean Dubya is (primarily) responsible for 9/11 just that he didn't exactly do a particularly good job on that front.

It was always an after-9/11 safeness. During the 2004 campaign it was that Bush is "keeping us safe". To be honest, no attacks happened on Bush's watch following 9/11.

Which is also a lie, but enjoy your bubble.

[Bull Moose Base]

Trump helped himself by helping Bush, who could be knocked out by a poor South Carolina performance. That said, I don't think it's some brilliant strategic maneuver by Trump. I think Trump is more of an instant gratification candidate who tries to look strong by attacking the weakest, most vulnerable member of the establishment herd, but in doing so, might get lucky, by driving mainstreamers to rally to W's defense which will leverage his campaigning for Jeb next week and give him a shot at topping Kasich and Rubio. I think Trump bumbled his way to a smart strategy.

[Torie]

Trump helped himself by helping Bush, who could be knocked out by a poor South Carolina performance. That said, I don't think it's some brilliant strategic maneuver by Trump. I think Trump is more of an instant gratification candidate who tries to look strong by attacking the weakest, most vulnerable member of the establishment herd, but in doing so, might get lucky, by driving mainstreamers to rally to W's defense which will leverage his campaigning for Jeb next week and give him a shot at topping Kasich and Rubio. I think Trump bumbled his way to a smart strategy.

Folks will vote for Jeb for the sole reason they thought Trump went too far in embracing left wing kookery about Dubya, so they will vote for Jeb to affirm Dubya?

[Beet]

Trump demolished Bush. But he sounded like Michael Moore in the process. South Carolina's conservative base will punish him accordingly.

[Bull Moose Base]

Trump helped himself by helping Bush, who could be knocked out by a poor South Carolina performance. That said, I don't think it's some brilliant strategic maneuver by Trump. I think Trump is more of an instant gratification candidate who tries to look strong by attacking the weakest, most vulnerable member of the establishment herd, but in doing so, might get lucky, by driving mainstreamers to rally to W's defense which will leverage his campaigning for Jeb next week and give him a shot at topping Kasich and Rubio. I think Trump bumbled his way to a smart strategy.

Folks will vote for Jeb for the sole reason they thought Trump went too far in embracing left wing kookery about Dubya, so they will vote for Jeb to affirm Dubya?

Exactly. It'll make mainstream voters feel that old, familiar feeling about W. It'll be like the mirror image of Hillary using Sanders's past criticisms of Obama and partisans' protectiveness of him to her advantage.

[ProudModerate2]

They both lost.

The nasty squabbling between the two, did neither any good. And Jeb! complaining about attacks on his family, made him seem like he was using his family as a shield. He can't seem to convey that he is his own man.

I was thinking the same thing.

[ProudModerate2]

I was 13 years old when 9/11 and the aftermath occurred. Anybody who was there knows that the country was so shocked, so rallied to the President, that nothing Donald Trump said makes any sense. Bush was a new President faced with the biggest crisis since Pearl Harbor and he delivered. You saw it in his historic making approval ratings which held above 70% into late 2003. You saw it with the country rallying to his side.

Never...never did anyone come out on 9/12/2001 and say "It's Bush's fault". In fact, while neither President was really blamed, it became more of an off-color discussion about the foreign policy failures of Bill Clinton than George W. Bush. Remember the distasteful humor "Clinton was busy with Monica while OBL was planning 9/11". The attacks were planned for 5 1/2 years. Bush was only President seven months of them. The hijackers were in his country flight training before Election 2000.

So when Trump uses that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch thing, he's stepping into territory even liberals didn't go into.

Well never, never did anyone come out on 9/12/2001 and say "Thank you Bush for keeping us safe under your watch. You are doing a great job. Oh and this little incident that happened yesterday where only 3,000 died .... don't worry about it .... it was nothing really .... no really."

You say : Remember the distasteful humor "Clinton was busy with Monica while OBL was planning 9/11." No I don't remember that.
That's silly. Sounds like you have been watching too much nutty Fox News commentary.