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Question: Will the United Kingdom vote to secede from the European Union?
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Velasco
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« on: June 26, 2016, 08:28:58 AM »

Gibralter would probably best trying to make it as a micronation. Then it could at least be sovereign over its own borders.

Actually, I do not envy Gibraltareans at all. Spain will be on a path of war.

Is this serious? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

The only thing that I can say is: give us the monkeys back and ˇMalvinas Argentinas!
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Velasco
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2016, 10:20:43 AM »

It's a bit absurd to think that Spain is going to wage a war on that Rock, don't you think? I don't see Mariano Rajoy willing to emulate Videla.

Personally I don't give a f***, but as a general rule I find tax havens and smugglers nests a bit disgusting. It's clear that people in Gibraltar wants to be British, but in my opinion some kind of joint sovereignty would be desirable. And, for heaven's shake: abolish tax havens!
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Velasco
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2016, 09:03:48 PM »

The Treaty of Utrecht says that Gibraltar if it were to leave English-owned status would automatically be ceded Spain iirc. (Just found out) so that rules out the micronation idea.

Well yes but centuries old treaties can probably be changed. If it couldn't then Gibraltar would almost certainly refuse to leave the UK and the UK government could well get them a different deal with the EU than the rest of the UK. Trust me Gibraltan's fear of Spain's attempts to destroy their unique culture by submerging them back into Spain and their visceral dislike of the Spanish government is much stronger than their love of the EU.

A joint sovereignty does not necessarily implies that the identity or culture of Gibraltar is going to be submerged. The people of Gibraltar and their Andalusian neighbours have a peaceful cohabitation. I don't know why it should have to change. The inhabitants of the Rock would be still British citizens. Also, you seem to ignore the problems that the status of Gibraltar causes on tax evasion (the Rock is a tax haven), smuggling or the occasional disputes on the waters of the Bay of Algeciras. Joint sovereignty or a fair renegotiation of the Utrecht treaties (by which Menorca island was taken off from Spain, to be later recovered) could solve some of these problems, not stupid chauvinism.
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