Russian legislative election, 18 September 2016

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Will Putin go full on North Korean and require the three other parties to join a United Front with UR, and then present voters with a single candidate list?

[smoltchanov]

Will Putin go full on North Korean and require the three other parties to join a United Front with UR, and then present voters with a single candidate list?

No. As authocratic as Russia is now - in no case...

[ag]

Will Putin go full on North Korean and require the three other parties to join a United Front with UR, and then present voters with a single candidate list?

Nah. No need to. More trouble than it is worth.

And, BTW, this would not be North Korea. This is good old Soviet Russia. There were no "other parties" there. There was just the strong and united "Bloc of the Communists and non-party members".

[smoltchanov]

Will Putin go full on North Korean and require the three other parties to join a United Front with UR, and then present voters with a single candidate list?

Nah. No need to. More trouble than it is worth.

And, BTW, this would not be North Korea. This is good old Soviet Russia. There were no "other parties" there. There was just the strong and united "Bloc of the Communists and non-party members".

+100. Russia economics and interests are much more internationally-dependent and connected for that too (even then in Brezhnev's time, and MUCH more then in Stalin's). So, we have "normal authocratic" regime here (not far different, for example, from Orban's Hungary in many political aspects).

[Simfan34]

Yabloko won a seat? That's surprising.

Not really. They won a constituency

Actually, we still do not know even that.

For the results of the 2020 Duma election please enquire at Moscow, Staraya Ploshchad 4. Results will be available in a week or two.

Well, no... Before 2020 there will be presidential elections of 2018 with possible repercussions. And crisis will not go away by 2020, while "Crimea is ours!" - gradually will. Though i expect real changes in 2024, when Presidential and Duma elections will coincide, and Putin (at least - technically) will not be eligible to run...

Why did they even bother putting in term limits when they amended the presidential term? Whom was this meant to appease?

[Simfan34]

Vladimir Volfovich Eidelstein Zhirinovskiy

Wait.

Wait.

Zhirinovsky is a Jew? Zhirinovsky?!

[Zanas]

Vladimir Volfovich Eidelstein Zhirinovskiy

Wait.

Wait.

Zhirinovsky is a Jew? Zhirinovsky?!

Well, Ariel Sharon too.

[DavidB.]

Vladimir Volfovich Eidelstein Zhirinovskiy

Wait.

Wait.

Zhirinovsky is a Jew? Zhirinovsky?!

Halachically speaking not. His father may be a lawyer, but his mother is a Russian, as he himself says

Well, Ariel Sharon too.

[Zanas]

Vladimir Volfovich Eidelstein Zhirinovskiy

Wait.

Wait.

Zhirinovsky is a Jew? Zhirinovsky?!

Halachically speaking not. His father may be a lawyer, but his mother is a Russian, as he himself says

Well, Ariel Sharon too.

Sorry, it was a smug comment about how terrible people can be Jews.

[DavidB.]

Can't disagree on that one.

[smoltchanov]

Yabloko won a seat? That's surprising.

Not really. They won a constituency

Actually, we still do not know even that.

For the results of the 2020 Duma election please enquire at Moscow, Staraya Ploshchad 4. Results will be available in a week or two.

Well, no... Before 2020 there will be presidential elections of 2018 with possible repercussions. And crisis will not go away by 2020, while "Crimea is ours!" - gradually will. Though i expect real changes in 2024, when Presidential and Duma elections will coincide, and Putin (at least - technically) will not be eligible to run...

Why did they even bother putting in term limits when they amended the presidential term? Whom was this meant to appease?

To prevent obvious comparisons with monarchy, which was so typical for Russia most of the time. In addition - Constitution was ratified in much more liberal 90th)))

[Simfan34]

Yabloko won a seat? That's surprising.

Not really. They won a constituency

Actually, we still do not know even that.

For the results of the 2020 Duma election please enquire at Moscow, Staraya Ploshchad 4. Results will be available in a week or two.

Well, no... Before 2020 there will be presidential elections of 2018 with possible repercussions. And crisis will not go away by 2020, while "Crimea is ours!" - gradually will. Though i expect real changes in 2024, when Presidential and Duma elections will coincide, and Putin (at least - technically) will not be eligible to run...

Why did they even bother putting in term limits when they amended the presidential term? Whom was this meant to appease?

To prevent obvious comparisons with monarchy, which was so typical for Russia most of the time. In addition - Constitution was ratified in much more liberal 90th)))

I'm talking about after 2012, when the term was extended from 4 years to five years.

[smoltchanov]

Yabloko won a seat? That's surprising.

Not really. They won a constituency

Actually, we still do not know even that.

For the results of the 2020 Duma election please enquire at Moscow, Staraya Ploshchad 4. Results will be available in a week or two.

Well, no... Before 2020 there will be presidential elections of 2018 with possible repercussions. And crisis will not go away by 2020, while "Crimea is ours!" - gradually will. Though i expect real changes in 2024, when Presidential and Duma elections will coincide, and Putin (at least - technically) will not be eligible to run...

Why did they even bother putting in term limits when they amended the presidential term? Whom was this meant to appease?

To prevent obvious comparisons with monarchy, which was so typical for Russia most of the time. In addition - Constitution was ratified in much more liberal 90th)))

I'm talking about after 2012, when the term was extended from 4 years to five years.

They decided that they needed a "semblance" of Democratic rule. And could point a finger on France (2 7-years terms AFAIK)

[Zuza]

Will Putin go full on North Korean and require the three other parties to join a United Front with UR, and then present voters with a single candidate list?

Nah. No need to. More trouble than it is worth.

And, BTW, this would not be North Korea. This is good old Soviet Russia. There were no "other parties" there. There was just the strong and united "Bloc of the Communists and non-party members".

I'm nitpicking, but what he described (several nominally independent parties united in a bloc and a single candidate list) is exactly North Korea (or China, or East Germany etc.) and not the USSR. Wouldn't say there is a difference though (except that these parties can become truly independent in case of democratization like it actually happened in East Germany).

[Zuza]

Vladimir Volfovich Eidelstein Zhirinovskiy

Wait.

Wait.

Zhirinovsky is a Jew? Zhirinovsky?!

This isn't even the craziest thing about LDPR. I'd say LDPR is the biggest and the most successful joke party in the world history.

[Zanas]

Yabloko won a seat? That's surprising.

Not really. They won a constituency

Actually, we still do not know even that.

For the results of the 2020 Duma election please enquire at Moscow, Staraya Ploshchad 4. Results will be available in a week or two.

Well, no... Before 2020 there will be presidential elections of 2018 with possible repercussions. And crisis will not go away by 2020, while "Crimea is ours!" - gradually will. Though i expect real changes in 2024, when Presidential and Duma elections will coincide, and Putin (at least - technically) will not be eligible to run...

Why did they even bother putting in term limits when they amended the presidential term? Whom was this meant to appease?

To prevent obvious comparisons with monarchy, which was so typical for Russia most of the time. In addition - Constitution was ratified in much more liberal 90th)))

I'm talking about after 2012, when the term was extended from 4 years to five years.

They decided that they needed a "semblance" of Democratic rule. And could point a finger on France (2 7-years terms AFAIK)

France has 5 year terms since 2000, implemented first in 2002.

[ag]

Vladimir Volfovich Eidelstein Zhirinovskiy

Wait.

Wait.

Zhirinovsky is a Jew? Zhirinovsky?!

He first tried it out in public politics as a lawyer for some Jewish club in the late 1980s. It was only a year or two later that he was designated by the KGB to become the official Soviet fascist.

[smoltchanov]

Yabloko won a seat? That's surprising.

Not really. They won a constituency

Actually, we still do not know even that.

For the results of the 2020 Duma election please enquire at Moscow, Staraya Ploshchad 4. Results will be available in a week or two.

Well, no... Before 2020 there will be presidential elections of 2018 with possible repercussions. And crisis will not go away by 2020, while "Crimea is ours!" - gradually will. Though i expect real changes in 2024, when Presidential and Duma elections will coincide, and Putin (at least - technically) will not be eligible to run...

Why did they even bother putting in term limits when they amended the presidential term? Whom was this meant to appease?

To prevent obvious comparisons with monarchy, which was so typical for Russia most of the time. In addition - Constitution was ratified in much more liberal 90th)))

I'm talking about after 2012, when the term was extended from 4 years to five years.

They decided that they needed a "semblance" of Democratic rule. And could point a finger on France (2 7-years terms AFAIK)

France has 5 year terms since 2000, implemented first in 2002.

Thanks! But it had 7-years terms before for relatively long time. So, Russian leaders could say "why not here???"