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« on: February 26, 2016, 06:34:21 PM »
« edited: February 26, 2016, 06:43:36 PM by Moderate Hero Republican »

Here's my maps

Hillary vs Trump:
 


Hillary 361  54.1%
Trump 177  45.3%

Hillary vs Rubio



Hillary 264   49.4%
Rubio 274    50.1%

Hillary vs Cruz:


Hillary 376  55.2%
Cruz 162     44.5%


Hillary vs Kasich:


Hillary 216      46.8%
Kasich 322       52.7%

Hillary vs Carson



Hillary 388   55.2%
Carson 150  44.1%


I forgot to change NE-2 for Trump and Cruz so I would say Hillary wins 362 electoral votes vs Trump and 377 vs Cruz
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2016, 06:54:24 PM »

All seem likely, although the Rubio map could swing either way.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2016, 06:59:38 PM »

Rubio and Kasich are low-energy losers who won't be going anywhere in a general election except back home as losers.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2016, 07:00:37 PM »

All seem likely, although the Rubio map could swing either way.

Agreed and I think Iowa and Nevada will be the deciding factor in the election.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2016, 07:05:09 PM »

I really doubt the election is as flexible as those maps suggest. Here's my bets:

Clinton vs. Trump, Cruz, or Carson


Hillary Clinton 348 EV
Donald Trump/Ted Cruz/Ben Carson 190 EV

Clinton vs. Rubio


Hillary Clinton 303 EV
Marco Rubio 235 EV

Clinton vs. Kasich


Hillary Clinton 276 EV
John Kasich 262 EV

Clinton vs. Carson
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2016, 07:18:59 PM »

She beats all of them.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2016, 07:20:25 PM »

I think we're underestimating how weird the Trump vs. Clinton map will get.  I could see him winning OH/PA/NH/ME-02 and maybe even MI while losing FL/CO/NV/VA and maybe even NC or AZ if the election is close.

I don't see how he could win PA, not with the machine the Dems have in Philly.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2016, 07:23:38 PM »

I really doubt the election is as flexible as those maps suggest. Here's my bets:

Clinton vs. Trump, Cruz, or Carson


Hillary Clinton 348 EV
Donald Trump/Ted Cruz/Ben Carson 190 EV

Clinton vs. Rubio


Hillary Clinton 303 EV
Marco Rubio 235 EV

Clinton vs. Kasich


Hillary Clinton 276 EV
John Kasich 262 EV

Clinton vs. Carson

You are overrating Clinton vs Kasich , Kasich would win Iowa, Nevada, and NH vs her
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2016, 07:50:44 PM »

I really doubt the election is as flexible as those maps suggest. Here's my bets:

Clinton vs. Trump, Cruz, or Carson


Hillary Clinton 348 EV
Donald Trump/Ted Cruz/Ben Carson 190 EV

Clinton vs. Rubio


Hillary Clinton 303 EV
Marco Rubio 235 EV

Clinton vs. Kasich


Hillary Clinton 276 EV
John Kasich 262 EV

Clinton vs. Carson

You are overrating Clinton vs Kasich , Kasich would win Iowa, Nevada, and NH vs her

Why Nevada? Isn't not a particularly good fit for Kasich, and it's only winnable for Republicans in a very good environment for them.
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2016, 07:53:44 PM »

I really doubt the election is as flexible as those maps suggest. Here's my bets:

Clinton vs. Trump, Cruz, or Carson


Hillary Clinton 348 EV
Donald Trump/Ted Cruz/Ben Carson 190 EV

Clinton vs. Rubio


Hillary Clinton 303 EV
Marco Rubio 235 EV

Clinton vs. Kasich


Hillary Clinton 276 EV
John Kasich 262 EV

Clinton vs. Carson

You are overrating Clinton vs Kasich , Kasich would win Iowa, Nevada, and NH vs her

Why Nevada? Isn't not a particularly good fit for Kasich, and it's only winnable for Republicans in a very good environment for them.

Rubio would be his vp
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2016, 08:01:28 PM »

I really doubt the election is as flexible as those maps suggest. Here's my bets:

Clinton vs. Trump, Cruz, or Carson


Hillary Clinton 348 EV
Donald Trump/Ted Cruz/Ben Carson 190 EV

Clinton vs. Rubio


Hillary Clinton 303 EV
Marco Rubio 235 EV

Clinton vs. Kasich


Hillary Clinton 276 EV
John Kasich 262 EV

Clinton vs. Carson

You are overrating Clinton vs Kasich , Kasich would win Iowa, Nevada, and NH vs her

Why Nevada? Isn't not a particularly good fit for Kasich, and it's only winnable for Republicans in a very good environment for them.

Rubio would be his vp

And...? Rubio didn't exactly prove that he's a good fit for Nevada. I think the only way Republicans win Nevada in a close election is with Sandoval on the ticket.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2016, 08:43:33 PM »

Clinton vs. Trump



Colorado or Pennsylvania could go either way and I'm really not sure how this election would go. Either candidate could win, it's really unpredictable at this point.

Clinton vs. Rubio



I'm fairly confident that Rubio would win this matchup. Pennsylvania is hard to judge but I think it would swing towards Rubio

Clinton vs. Cruz



Clinton wins by 1 or 2%

Clinton vs. Kasich



Kasich makes the upper Midwestern states fairly close.

Clinton vs. Carson



Clinton wins by 2-4%
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2016, 08:54:09 PM »

I really doubt the election is as flexible as those maps suggest. Here's my bets:

Clinton vs. Trump, Cruz, or Carson


Hillary Clinton 348 EV
Donald Trump/Ted Cruz/Ben Carson 190 EV

Clinton vs. Rubio


Hillary Clinton 303 EV
Marco Rubio 235 EV

Clinton vs. Kasich


Hillary Clinton 276 EV
John Kasich 262 EV

Clinton vs. Carson
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This exactly.
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2016, 09:04:30 PM »

Here are interesting comparatives published today by Hampton University CPP, for Virginia:

Head-to-Head Matchups
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Republican hopeful and Ohio Governor John Kasich (45%) beats Hillary Clinton (44%) by one point in a head-to-head matchup according to the results of the CPP survey. Against Bernie Sanders (43%), Kasich (44%) also wins by one point.
When asked if the election for President were held today, in a head-to-head matchup between Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump, Virginians chose Clinton (48%) over Trump (39%) by 11 points. It was a similar outcome for the match-up between Sanders (48%) and Trump (39%).
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There is only a five point lead for Clinton (48%) if she were to go against Republican Ted Cruz (43%) in the general election in November, and a mere three point lead if Bernie Sanders (46%) faced off with Cruz (43%).
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The gap between GOP hopeful Marco Rubio and both Democratic hopefuls is narrow as well. When facing off with Democrat Bernie Sanders, Rubio garnered 44% to Sanders 46% of the vote. Against Democrat Hillary Clinton's 48%, Rubio captured 45% support.


Or in short, it is Clinton (or Sanders) vs Kasich for a close election or Clinton vs anyone else for a Democratic win!

http://www.hamptonu.edu/cpp/polls/201602_presidential_poll/exec_summ.cfm
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2016, 10:30:18 PM »

There's a chance the majority Mormon states might not vote Trump either.
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2016, 10:31:07 PM »

Here are interesting comparatives published today by Hampton University CPP, for Virginia:

Head-to-Head Matchups
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Republican hopeful and Ohio Governor John Kasich (45%) beats Hillary Clinton (44%) by one point in a head-to-head matchup according to the results of the CPP survey. Against Bernie Sanders (43%), Kasich (44%) also wins by one point.
When asked if the election for President were held today, in a head-to-head matchup between Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump, Virginians chose Clinton (48%) over Trump (39%) by 11 points. It was a similar outcome for the match-up between Sanders (48%) and Trump (39%).
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There is only a five point lead for Clinton (48%) if she were to go against Republican Ted Cruz (43%) in the general election in November, and a mere three point lead if Bernie Sanders (46%) faced off with Cruz (43%).
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The gap between GOP hopeful Marco Rubio and both Democratic hopefuls is narrow as well. When facing off with Democrat Bernie Sanders, Rubio garnered 44% to Sanders 46% of the vote. Against Democrat Hillary Clinton's 48%, Rubio captured 45% support.


Or in short, it is Clinton (or Sanders) vs Kasich for a close election or Clinton vs anyone else for a Democratic win!

http://www.hamptonu.edu/cpp/polls/201602_presidential_poll/exec_summ.cfm

I wouldn't assume VA will mirror the national vote this time, particularly with Hillary against Trump or Cruz.  If it means anything at all, Cruz being down only 3 in federal employee land is very sanguine for him nationally.

It's actually 5 points against Hillary but I agree that it's not that bad for him - keep in mind though that VA also includes southern parts which are natural Cruz territory!
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2017, 05:04:05 PM »

Wow!
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2017, 02:10:50 PM »

Well this was before the FBI investigation now I would have Kasich getting 360 electoral votes Rubio getting 332
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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2017, 04:06:42 PM »

Here's my maps

Hillary vs Trump:
 


Hillary 361  54.1%
Trump 177  45.3%



Gotta give Trump credit...he found a way to win Montana...
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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2017, 09:20:39 PM »

The collective wisdom only misjudged Trump. These maps are pretty good for the other Republicans.
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2017, 10:47:04 PM »

The collective wisdom only misjudged Trump. These maps are pretty good for the other Republicans.

Yah no this was before hillary FBI investigation so Rubio and Kasich  would have won by at least 5 points more then I predicted here
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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2017, 11:56:13 AM »

The collective wisdom only misjudged Trump. These maps are pretty good for the other Republicans.

Yah no this was before hillary FBI investigation so Rubio and Kasich  would have won by at least 5 points more then I predicted here

Trump made inroads precisely because he is proud of being an ignorant racist who plays dirty and doesn't apologize. He mostly talks like the people and makes simple white folk feel good about beating their chests. None of Kasich or Rubio or Cruz would have inspired that intensity.

Kasich and Rubio's strengths were basically Romney's strengths, except Romney was even more of a reasonable statesman. There's a reason he couldn't break into the Rust Belt. He was a mainline politician. Kasich and Rubio both would have been stuck angling for the do-or-die path of Florida, Ohio, Virginia, plus one. And it's extremely easy to see that fall short.
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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2017, 12:07:44 PM »

The collective wisdom only misjudged Trump. These maps are pretty good for the other Republicans.

Yah no this was before hillary FBI investigation so Rubio and Kasich  would have won by at least 5 points more then I predicted here

Trump made inroads precisely because he is proud of being an ignorant racist who plays dirty and doesn't apologize. He mostly talks like the people and makes simple white folk feel good about beating their chests. None of Kasich or Rubio or Cruz would have inspired that intensity.

Kasich and Rubio's strengths were basically Romney's strengths, except Romney was even more of a reasonable statesman. There's a reason he couldn't break into the Rust Belt. He was a mainline politician. Kasich and Rubio both would have been stuck angling for the do-or-die path of Florida, Ohio, Virginia, plus one. And it's extremely easy to see that fall short.


nope


Kasich for one has very few of the weaknesses Romney had and Hillary has very few of the strengths Obama had .  Kasich would likely dominate her in the suburbs while the dem vote in small towns still collapses and that cause Hillary to lose by 8-10 points. Without Trump as the GOP nominee Hillary is also very unlikely to hold the gains Obama made in Nevada/Colorado and that causes Hillary to be wiped out.  Kasich would win the rust belt in a different way then Trump did , he wins Wisconsin the same Walker did, and wins PA by dominating the suburbs. Michigan would be harder but if she is losing the election by 8-10 points PVI alone turns Michigan GOP.


For Rubio it would be harder as he wouldnt be able to take the midwest the same way Kasich has , as Rubio does have weakness Kasich doenst have. So the map would start out being very similar to 2004(except NM is dem) but Rubio would likely choose a midwestern as his vp(likely Walker) allowing him to pierce Hillary firewall there as well, and that likely flips other states as well.







 
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2017, 12:13:37 PM »

The collective wisdom only misjudged Trump. These maps are pretty good for the other Republicans.

Yah no this was before hillary FBI investigation so Rubio and Kasich  would have won by at least 5 points more then I predicted here

Trump made inroads precisely because he is proud of being an ignorant racist who plays dirty and doesn't apologize. He mostly talks like the people and makes simple white folk feel good about beating their chests. None of Kasich or Rubio or Cruz would have inspired that intensity.

Kasich and Rubio's strengths were basically Romney's strengths, except Romney was even more of a reasonable statesman. There's a reason he couldn't break into the Rust Belt. He was a mainline politician. Kasich and Rubio both would have been stuck angling for the do-or-die path of Florida, Ohio, Virginia, plus one. And it's extremely easy to see that fall short.
Please stop with the "muh racist Trump" s***. He won because he played up economic populism, especially in coal country. There's a reason he won and Bush couldn't win places like WI. As people have noted, these states voted for the first black president but they somehow became racist in 4 years? That's not a good theory. Rubio and Kasich couldn't win naturally (aka barring a wipeout) all of the rust belt states trump did because they were not good fits for the states.
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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2017, 12:36:19 PM »

The collective wisdom only misjudged Trump. These maps are pretty good for the other Republicans.

Yah no this was before hillary FBI investigation so Rubio and Kasich  would have won by at least 5 points more then I predicted here

Trump made inroads precisely because he is proud of being an ignorant racist who plays dirty and doesn't apologize. He mostly talks like the people and makes simple white folk feel good about beating their chests. None of Kasich or Rubio or Cruz would have inspired that intensity.

Kasich and Rubio's strengths were basically Romney's strengths, except Romney was even more of a reasonable statesman. There's a reason he couldn't break into the Rust Belt. He was a mainline politician. Kasich and Rubio both would have been stuck angling for the do-or-die path of Florida, Ohio, Virginia, plus one. And it's extremely easy to see that fall short.
Please stop with the "muh racist Trump" s***. He won because he played up economic populism, especially in coal country. There's a reason he won and Bush couldn't win places like WI. As people have noted, these states voted for the first black president but they somehow became racist in 4 years? That's not a good theory. Rubio and Kasich couldn't win naturally (aka barring a wipeout) all of the rust belt states trump did because they were not good fits for the states.


Ron Johnson won WI by a larger margin then Trump did
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