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Question: Which system is best?
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Anarchy
 
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Laissez-faire
 
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Laissez-faire lite (1890s U.S.)
 
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Socialism lite (U.S.)
 
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Eurosocialism (Europe)
 
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Communism (USSR)
 
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« on: May 30, 2005, 09:33:36 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2005, 09:37:37 PM »

LF lite
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2005, 09:44:32 PM »

Eurosocialism
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2005, 09:52:46 PM »

Ridiculously biased wording, monosodium.

Laissez-faire lite would be the current US, while the 1890's US would be laissez-faire.

Also the economic system in Europe is far more capitalist than it is socialist, so it is deceptive to use socialism in describing it. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2005, 09:58:40 PM »

The 1890s U.S. was not laissez-faire. Mostly laissez-faire (laissez-faire lite) but not laissez-faire. Just look at the Interstate Commerce Act.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2005, 11:49:10 PM »

I think his discriptions are far more accurate than the other poll.  It would be great if we had a pure free market economy.  If government would get out of manufacturing, schools, medicine, agriculture, and construction we could opperate on a complete supply-demand schedule without red tape from the Feds holding back the economy.  People would still make safety belts in cars because nobody would buy them without safety belts.  When money is the incentive and not force, so much more can get done, and get done better.
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2005, 12:27:08 AM »

Socialism Lite, and I am not asshamed of the wording.  Call a spade a spade.  Socialism is not 100% bad just as capitalism is not 100% good.  I prefere a free market with quasi-socialist ideas on social spending.
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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2005, 01:49:34 AM »

Obviously the best is anarchy, but if we could get at least laissez faire lite would e a great advance.
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2005, 01:57:03 AM »

Socialism-lite tinged a little more towards Eurosocialism.  No really, I'm not ashamed to say it either, I think they have better health care than us and a MUCH better public education and public transportation system.
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2005, 02:01:01 AM »

Obviously the best is anarchy, but if we could get at least laissez faire lite would e a great advance.
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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2005, 02:02:36 AM »

Obviously the best is anarchy, but if we could get at least laissez faire lite would e a great advance.
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Bono advocates the abolution of buying and selling!

Obviously, only socialists support a paper currency.
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2005, 02:16:32 AM »

Obviously the best is anarchy, but if we could get at least laissez faire lite would e a great advance.
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I'm not a Bakuninist anarchist.
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2005, 04:07:56 AM »

1890 is good all you need is some restrictions on monopolies and trusts to keep companies from hurting consumers.
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2005, 07:20:50 AM »

Option 2
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2005, 02:44:24 PM »

1890 is good all you need is some restrictions on monopolies and trusts to keep companies from hurting consumers.

Pretty much. Probably the closest to ideal economic system would be the US approximately 1910.
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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2005, 06:51:17 PM »

1890 is good all you need is some restrictions on monopolies and trusts to keep companies from hurting consumers.

Pretty much. Probably the closest to ideal economic system would be the US approximately 1910.

Are you, DanielX, a millionaire?
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2005, 06:55:28 PM »

Maybe he likes freedom.
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2005, 07:03:21 PM »


Freedom which one is incapable of ever excersizing is rather meaningless.
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2005, 07:15:08 PM »

Not everyone is a selfish jerk, opebo.
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2005, 07:16:23 PM »

Not everyone is a selfish jerk, opebo.

Well, then they're being duped by a selfish jerk. 

If you're smart, you'll get busy being a selfish.  Life is short and no one else is looking out for you.
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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2005, 07:20:46 PM »

The vast majority of people do not benefit from the current minimum wage, Social Security system, welfare, farm subsidies, etc.

Now, by selfish jerk I was referring to the fact that they wouldn't support your economic system, which would allow people to do no work and live 'comfortably.' Not to mention collapse the economy, so I guess it doesn't really take too much selflessness.
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2005, 07:22:46 PM »


What the hell is a selfish? Last time I checked their are very limited instances in English were you can use adjectives as nouns, such as in only the good die young, and this is not one of them.
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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2005, 07:25:37 PM »

The vast majority of people do not benefit from the current minimum wage, Social Security system, welfare, farm subsidies, etc.

Well, it is certainly true that redistribution falls woefully short in our near-laissez-faire society.  Much more would be better.  In face welfare hardly exists at all anymore.  But many people do benefit at various times in their lives from government programs (including student loans and housing subsides not included in your list above), and many more would benefit if we taxed the owning class more to pay for better programs.

More importantly, even those who do not utilize a social safety net are benefited by the peace of mind of knowing it is there to catch them in the event of misfortune.  

Incidentally, all of this would be paid for by taxing the class of people who currently do no work and live 'comfortably', so I really don't see your objection to that aspect of the plan.

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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2005, 07:30:07 PM »

If people want to give away money for free, that's their business, not the state's. Everyone else is being compensated.

We are not near laissez-faire. These programs stunt growth, promote inefficiency, and create a culture of dependency. Most of us would be better off without such interventions.
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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2005, 09:58:52 PM »

We are not near laissez-faire. These programs stunt growth, promote inefficiency, and create a culture of dependency. Most of us would be better off without such interventions.

Well, you're going to find out how well off the bottom 90% of the population was before these things - the 19th century is comeing back.  Assuming you are not very aged at present, you will no doubt see the utter impoverishment of the great majority of the population.  We're halfway there already.
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