The media said for years Hillary Clinton is a terrible politician and candidate

[IceSpear]

Well, so much for that.

[Pyro]

Don't worry, she still is.

[IceSpear]

Don't worry, she still is.

Perhaps you're unaware of the historic nature of this evening.

And by the way, if she is, what does that say about your candidate?

[Pyro]

Don't worry, she still is.

Perhaps you're unaware of the historic nature of this evening.

And by the way, if she is, what does that say about your candidate?

First, I don't support Sanders or Clinton.
Second, get back to me after Trump wins the general about how excellent a candidate Clinton is.

[Shadows]

She is - This was a horrible result for the general for Hillary. She lost the white vote by like 15-20% odd? In Nevada she lost the Hispanic vote to Sanders by 7-8% odd. She is loosing every demographic bar blacks.

Newsflash - Blacks anyways vote for Dems (more than 90%). Dems are bleeding white voters at this point. You could put O Malley & he would do a better job because any Dem will sweep the black vote

This looks terrible for her for a general.

Scam tainted politician running with Wall Street, Super PAC, Special Interests, Lobbyists Money vs Self-funded candidate - Bought Puppet vs Independent Candidate - Story writes itself

[IceSpear]

She is - This was a horrible result for the general for Hillary. She lost the white vote by like 15-20% odd? In Nevada she lost the Hispanic vote to Sanders by 7-8% odd. She is loosing every demographic bar blacks.

Newsflash - Blacks anyways vote for Dems (more than 90%). Dems are bleeding white voters at this point.

This looks terrible for her for a general.

Scam tainted politician running with Wall Street, Super PAC, Special Interests, Lobbyists Money vs Self-funded candidate - Bought Puppet vs Independent Candidate - Story writes itself

lol. The exit poll was revised dude. She won the white vote in SC and the Hispanics in NV.

[Shadows]

She is - This was a horrible result for the general for Hillary. She lost the white vote by like 15-20% odd? In Nevada she lost the Hispanic vote to Sanders by 7-8% odd. She is loosing every demographic bar blacks.

Newsflash - Blacks anyways vote for Dems (more than 90%). Dems are bleeding white voters at this point.

This looks terrible for her for a general.

Scam tainted politician running with Wall Street, Super PAC, Special Interests, Lobbyists Money vs Self-funded candidate - Bought Puppet vs Independent Candidate - Story writes itself

lol. The exit poll was revised dude. She won the white vote in SC and the Hispanics in NV.

She did not. Every opinion poll I have seen showed Sanders winning Hispanics in NV by 5-8%, obviously Hillary fans would disagree as did her campaign because it is a huge let down.

Whites Sanders have won by 15-20% points in SC (MSNBC Coverage), he was just a shade above among whites in Nevada. This is the truth - O Malley would be better - Any Dem will get 90% of the Black votes

[Maxwell]

She is - This was a horrible result for the general for Hillary. She lost the white vote by like 15-20% odd? In Nevada she lost the Hispanic vote to Sanders by 7-8% odd. She is loosing every demographic bar blacks.

Newsflash - Blacks anyways vote for Dems (more than 90%). Dems are bleeding white voters at this point.

This looks terrible for her for a general.

Scam tainted politician running with Wall Street, Super PAC, Special Interests, Lobbyists Money vs Self-funded candidate - Bought Puppet vs Independent Candidate - Story writes itself

lol. The exit poll was revised dude. She won the white vote in SC and the Hispanics in NV.

She did not. Every opinion poll I have seen showed Sanders winning Hispanics in NV by 5-8%, obviously Hillary fans would disagree as did her campaign because it is a huge let down.

Whites Sanders have won by 15-20% points in SC (MSNBC Coverage), he was just a shade above among whites in Nevada. This is the truth - O Malley would be better - Any Dem will get 90% of the Black votes

You are totally incorrect:

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/sc/Dem

Clinton won whites by 8% in SC.

[IceSpear]

She is - This was a horrible result for the general for Hillary. She lost the white vote by like 15-20% odd? In Nevada she lost the Hispanic vote to Sanders by 7-8% odd. She is loosing every demographic bar blacks.

Newsflash - Blacks anyways vote for Dems (more than 90%). Dems are bleeding white voters at this point.

This looks terrible for her for a general.

Scam tainted politician running with Wall Street, Super PAC, Special Interests, Lobbyists Money vs Self-funded candidate - Bought Puppet vs Independent Candidate - Story writes itself

lol. The exit poll was revised dude. She won the white vote in SC and the Hispanics in NV.

She did not. Every opinion poll I have seen showed Sanders winning Hispanics in NV by 5-8%, obviously Hillary fans would disagree as did her campaign because it is a huge let down.

Whites Sanders have won by 15-20% points in SC (MSNBC Coverage), he was just a shade above among whites in Nevada. This is the truth - O Malley would be better - Any Dem will get 90% of the Black votes

Are you dense? Don't answer that.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/27/us/elections/south-carolina-democrat-poll.html

As for NV, she won most of the heavily Hispanic precincts. The poll was trash, just like the initial exit poll was this time. Exit polls get revised over the course of the night as actual results come in.

[Virginiá]

Are you dense? Don't answer that.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/27/us/elections/south-carolina-democrat-poll.html

As for NV, she won most of the heavily Hispanic precincts. The poll was trash, just like the initial exit poll was this time. Exit polls get revised over the course of the night as actual results come in.

It's amusing how Shadows is acting like because she may or may not have lost one demographic in the primary, that she will somehow do worse in the general? That's what I got from it. Let's say she did lose Hispanics for arguments sake, at the general election she is still going to blow Trump away with something like 80% - 85% of the Hispanic vote, if not more. Against another candidate, she'd probably do just as well as Obama '12, given the narrative of this cycle regarding immigration.

Didn't Obama lose white voters in a lot of states in 2008? If so, it certainly didn't matter because he won 43% in the general - A really great performance, in line with Democratic white vote trends for the past generation. Performing badly with a certain demographic in your primary doesn't translate much into the GE. It just means those people preferred the other guy or girl.

The only area I see her performing not so good on is with Millennials, but against Trump she will take them by Obama numbers, on account of them absolutely loathing Trump beyond anything Hillary could muster from them. (according to polls, anyhow).

Shadows is so silly.

[Holmes]

Dude. You don't even need to look at the precinct level to see that Clinton won whites tonight. A near 50 point margin.

[useful idiot]

The fact that she's in a competitive race with a 74 year old socialist who isn't even a Democrat, and was virtually unknown before he ran, tells you all you need to know about her greatness. The fact that her victory over Bernie Sanders in SC is even being touted as an accomplishment says volumes. If Trump hadn't wrecked the Pubs, you'd be looking down the barrel of a landslide loss in November...

[Maxwell]

The fact that she's in a competitive race with a 74 year old socialist who isn't even a Democrat, and was virtually unknown before he ran, tells you all you need to know about her greatness. The fact that her victory over Bernie Sanders in SC is even being touted as an accomplishment says volumes. If Trump hadn't wrecked the Pubs, you'd be looking down the barrel of a landslide loss in November...

Absolutely, unequivocally not true.

[IceSpear]

The fact that she's in a competitive race with a 74 year old socialist who isn't even a Democrat, and was virtually unknown before he ran, tells you all you need to know about her greatness. The fact that her victory over Bernie Sanders in SC is even being touted as an accomplishment says volumes. If Trump hadn't wrecked the Pubs, you'd be looking down the barrel of a landslide loss in November...

It's not competitive. And you misunderestimate how much the media and politics abhors a vacuum. Just look at Bill Bradley and John McCain in 2000. How many hysterical articles were written then about how they were going to "dethrone the inevitable nominee?"

And yeah, a 50 point win is a major victory no matter how you slice it, so nice try. That's basically what she was leading by in 2013-2014! It's also historic. So keep moving those goalposts, but it's not gonna help you very much.

[useful idiot]

The fact that she's in a competitive race with a 74 year old socialist who isn't even a Democrat, and was virtually unknown before he ran, tells you all you need to know about her greatness. The fact that her victory over Bernie Sanders in SC is even being touted as an accomplishment says volumes. If Trump hadn't wrecked the Pubs, you'd be looking down the barrel of a landslide loss in November...

It's not competitive. And you misunderestimate how much the media and politics abhors a vacuum. Just look at Bill Bradley and John McCain in 2000. How many hysterical articles were written then about how they were going to "dethrone the inevitable nominee?"

And yeah, a 50 point win is a major victory no matter how you slice it, so nice try. That's basically what she was leading by in 2013-2014! It's also historic. So keep moving those goalposts, but it's not gonna help you very much.

Uh, Hillary Clinton lost NH by a landslide and essentially tied Bernie Sanders in two primaries. Let me repeat: Hillary Clinton lost NH and basically tied Bernie Sanders in Iowa and Nevada. Bernie Sanders is not Bill Bradley or John McCain. Against any other candidate, he would have been a joke also-ran. If she beat him by 50 points in every contest, that would be expected, not a "major victory"

[Maxwell]

Treating Bernie Sanders as some kind of joke candidate is wholly inappropriate. The man has significant strengths as a candidate and has a significant following. He has a message that people are really vibing with regardless of how badly he lost tonight.

[IceSpear]

The fact that she's in a competitive race with a 74 year old socialist who isn't even a Democrat, and was virtually unknown before he ran, tells you all you need to know about her greatness. The fact that her victory over Bernie Sanders in SC is even being touted as an accomplishment says volumes. If Trump hadn't wrecked the Pubs, you'd be looking down the barrel of a landslide loss in November...

It's not competitive. And you misunderestimate how much the media and politics abhors a vacuum. Just look at Bill Bradley and John McCain in 2000. How many hysterical articles were written then about how they were going to "dethrone the inevitable nominee?"

And yeah, a 50 point win is a major victory no matter how you slice it, so nice try. That's basically what she was leading by in 2013-2014! It's also historic. So keep moving those goalposts, but it's not gonna help you very much.

Uh, Hillary Clinton lost NH by a landslide and essentially tied Bernie Sanders in two primaries. Let me repeat: Hillary Clinton lost NH and basically tied Bernie Sanders in Iowa and Nevada. Bernie Sanders is not Bill Bradley or John McCain. Against any other candidate, he would have been a joke also-ran. If she beat him by 50 points in every contest, that would be expected, not a "major victory"

6 points is essentially a tie? What an interesting world you live in. I guess McCain "essentially tied" Obama in 2008. lmao

And you're right, Bernie Sanders isn't Bill Bradley. He's a much more serious candidate.

[Xing]

I don't see how her win tonight specifically makes her that much better of a politician than she was yesterday. Sure, it's technically "historic", but then wasn't Sanders' win in New Hampshire also "historic"?

[Marokai Backbeat]

Congratulations to Hillary for winning a primary virtually the entire Democratic Party paved the way for her in, against her opponent, Ancient Socialist Independent from Vermont. After she lost a primary eight years ago against Black Teenager No One Heard Of. Truly, she is the greatest politician of our age.

[Holmes]

I don't see how her win tonight specifically makes her that much better of a politician than she was yesterday. Sure, it's technically "historic", but then wasn't Sanders' win in New Hampshire also "historic"?

Yes, especially because it was the first time a Jewish-American won a Presidential primary.

[IceSpear]

I don't see how her win tonight specifically makes her that much better of a politician than she was yesterday. Sure, it's technically "historic", but then wasn't Sanders' win in New Hampshire also "historic"?

The media never says Bernie Sanders is a terrible politician.

And just for some context, the media acts as if Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are the most talented politicians on earth because they got the most votes in Iowa caucus history.

[IceSpear]

Congratulations to Hillary for winning a primary virtually the entire Democratic Party paved the way for her in, against her opponent, Ancient Socialist Independent from Vermont. After she lost a primary eight years ago against Black Teenager No One Heard Of. Truly, she is the greatest politician of our age.

So Obama wasn't a great candidate now?

[Holmes]

Just let him be. He'll get over it.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Of course he was a great candidate (and I'll miss him once he's no longer President, especially given the likely replacements) but my point is he was a nobody prior to that race and right up until Iowa people still didn't think he had much of a chance against Hillary Clinton. Let's also not forget the horrendous campaign Hillary ran, which included Bush-tier tactics such as "fear monger over national security" and "look everybody he looks so dark and foreign in this tribal garb."

I don't think Hillary is a bad politician, but her campaign tactics are very bog standard. She won a Senate race in a heavily Democratic state, for which she never would've been a contender for had her husband not been President, then lost a Presidential primary that she never should've, then stumbled out of the gate before winning a race that should've never been anywhere near as close as it was from the outset. How could you possibly argue Hillary is some sort of political genius?

Just let him be. He'll get over it.

At least I actually engage in discussions in earnest. My interest in these forums goes beyond "gloat."

[YPestis25]

I think a lot of it is that people are always comparing her to Bill Clinton or Obama. She doesn't posses the charisma or political acumen they have, but the portrayal of her as this absolutely terrible candidate is an overreaction. If you want to see a terrible candidate, look at Jeb Bush.