The media said for years Hillary Clinton is a terrible politician and candidate
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
March 28, 2024, 05:47:32 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Election Archive
  Election Archive
  2016 U.S. Presidential Election
  The media said for years Hillary Clinton is a terrible politician and candidate
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2]
Author Topic: The media said for years Hillary Clinton is a terrible politician and candidate  (Read 1242 times)
Holmes
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,719
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -5.74

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2016, 11:28:28 PM »

Sure Maro, your initial post was so insightful and engaging in the conversation.
Logged
IceSpear
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 31,841
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -6.43

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2016, 11:28:58 PM »

Of course he was a great candidate (and I'll miss him once he's no longer President, especially given the likely replacements) but my point is he was a nobody prior to that race and right up until Iowa people still didn't think he had much of a chance against Hillary Clinton. Let's also not forget the horrendous campaign Hillary ran, which included Bush-tier tactics such as "fear monger over national security" and "look everybody he looks so dark and foreign in this tribal garb."

I don't think Hillary is a bad politician, but her campaign tactics are very bog standard. She won a Senate race in a heavily Democratic state, for which she never would've been a contender for had her husband not been President, then lost a Presidential primary that she never should've, then stumbled out of the gate before winning a race that should've never been anywhere near as close as it was from the outset. How could you possibly argue Hillary is some sort of political genius?

Just let him be. He'll get over it.

At least I actually engage in discussions in earnest. My interest in these forums goes beyond "gloat."

Who said she was a political genius? I said she wasn't the utter failure, terrible, horrible, no good candidate/politician that the media constantly portrays her as.

And by the way, plenty of people heard of Obama. He was the keynote speaker at the 2004 DNC, and presidential speculation on him began that day. Hillary was the frontrunner in 08, but she was never anything resembling a lock.
Logged
IceSpear
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 31,841
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -6.43

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2016, 11:30:23 PM »

I think a lot of it is that people are always comparing her to Bill Clinton or Obama. She doesn't posses the charisma or political acumen they have, but the portrayal of her as this absolutely terrible candidate is an overreaction. If you want to see a terrible candidate, look at Jeb Bush.

+1
Logged
○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└
jfern
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 53,611


Political Matrix
E: -7.38, S: -8.36

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2016, 11:32:29 PM »

Congratulations to Hillary for winning a primary virtually the entire Democratic Party paved the way for her in, against her opponent, Ancient Socialist Independent from Vermont. After she lost a primary eight years ago against Black Teenager No One Heard Of. Truly, she is the greatest politician of our age.

It's tough winning a primary when you're inevitable.
Logged
Xing
xingkerui
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,303
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.52, S: -3.91

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2016, 11:36:28 PM »

I don't see how her win tonight specifically makes her that much better of a politician than she was yesterday. Sure, it's technically "historic", but then wasn't Sanders' win in New Hampshire also "historic"?

The media never says Bernie Sanders is a terrible politician.

And just for some context, the media acts as if Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are the most talented politicians on earth because they got the most votes in Iowa caucus history.

Okay, but the media's going to be critical of Clinton either way, however unfair that might be. What is it specifically about tonight that makes her a great politician? Sure, it was an enormous win (though it was one of her best states), but a lopsided win in one contest doesn't make her a great politician. If she wins the nomination, on the other hand, you will probably hear the word "historic."

I don't think she's a bad politician, but she's definitely far from perfect. It looks like she'll win the nomination this time, but by all accounts, she should've won eight years ago.
Logged
Marokai Backbeat
Marokai Blue
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,477
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.42, S: -7.39

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2016, 11:40:42 PM »

Sure Maro, your initial post was so insightful and engaging in the conversation.

Are you familiar with sarcasm? It's often used as a rhetorical device to make a point without stating it outright.

Who said she was a political genius? I said she wasn't the utter failure, terrible, horrible, no good candidate/politician that the media constantly portrays her as.

And by the way, plenty of people heard of Obama. He was the keynote speaker at the 2004 DNC, and presidential speculation on him began that day. Hillary was the frontrunner in 08, but she was never anything resembling a lock.

I don't disagree that she's fine as a politician, I'm just saying that pretty much nothing about her primary victory here should be used as evidence that she excels all that much over the average politician. It wouldn't have just taken a terrible politician to lose to Bernie Sanders of all people after the entire party rolled out the red carpet, it would've taken a catastrophically horrible candidate.

Her strength as a politician is pretty down the middle, I'd say. I think it says more about the mediocre Democratic bench, and her sheer name recognition in comparison, that we're even running her at this point.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.033 seconds with 13 queries.