The media said for years Hillary Clinton is a terrible politician and candidate

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Congratulations to Hillary for winning a primary virtually the entire Democratic Party paved the way for her in, against her opponent, Ancient Socialist Independent from Vermont. After she lost a primary eight years ago against Black Teenager No One Heard Of. Truly, she is the greatest politician of our age.

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Of course he was a great candidate (and I'll miss him once he's no longer President, especially given the likely replacements) but my point is he was a nobody prior to that race and right up until Iowa people still didn't think he had much of a chance against Hillary Clinton. Let's also not forget the horrendous campaign Hillary ran, which included Bush-tier tactics such as "fear monger over national security" and "look everybody he looks so dark and foreign in this tribal garb."

I don't think Hillary is a bad politician, but her campaign tactics are very bog standard. She won a Senate race in a heavily Democratic state, for which she never would've been a contender for had her husband not been President, then lost a Presidential primary that she never should've, then stumbled out of the gate before winning a race that should've never been anywhere near as close as it was from the outset. How could you possibly argue Hillary is some sort of political genius?

Just let him be. He'll get over it.

At least I actually engage in discussions in earnest. My interest in these forums goes beyond "gloat."

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Sure Maro, your initial post was so insightful and engaging in the conversation.

Are you familiar with sarcasm? It's often used as a rhetorical device to make a point without stating it outright.

Who said she was a political genius? I said she wasn't the utter failure, terrible, horrible, no good candidate/politician that the media constantly portrays her as.

And by the way, plenty of people heard of Obama. He was the keynote speaker at the 2004 DNC, and presidential speculation on him began that day. Hillary was the frontrunner in 08, but she was never anything resembling a lock.

I don't disagree that she's fine as a politician, I'm just saying that pretty much nothing about her primary victory here should be used as evidence that she excels all that much over the average politician. It wouldn't have just taken a terrible politician to lose to Bernie Sanders of all people after the entire party rolled out the red carpet, it would've taken a catastrophically horrible candidate.

Her strength as a politician is pretty down the middle, I'd say. I think it says more about the mediocre Democratic bench, and her sheer name recognition in comparison, that we're even running her at this point.