NYT: More Latinos seek citizenship to vote against Trump

[Ogre Mage]

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/us/trumps-rise-spurs-latino-immigrants-to-naturalize-to-vote-against-him.html?_r=0

[Antonio the Sixth]

If Drumpf's hateful campaign were to stimulate a political awakening among the Latino community similar to what happened in California after Prop 187, then some good will actually have come out of it. Probably not enough to outweigh the bad, but still.

[Beet]

If Drumpf's hateful campaign were to stimulate a political awakening among the Latino community similar to what happened in California after Prop 187, then some good will actually have come out of it. Probably not enough to outweigh the bad, but still.

Not if they're so grateful when the GOP rejects Trump's nomination that they all end up voting for CRUZ in the General.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

The racial polarization of American politics continues on schedule.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If Drumpf's hateful campaign were to stimulate a political awakening among the Latino community similar to what happened in California after Prop 187, then some good will actually have come out of it. Probably not enough to outweigh the bad, but still.

Not if they're so grateful when the GOP rejects Trump's nomination that they all end up voting for CRUZ in the General.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha



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[Ebsy]

We should welcome these new citizens with open arms and remind them that is their duty to vote early and vote often.

[Sasquatch]

The wall just got 10 feet higher?

[Xing]

The wall just got 10 feet higher?

Yep, the Democratic freiwal, that is.

[James Bond 007]

The wall just got 10 feet higher?

Am I the only one who would find it funny if Trump granted citizenship to any Latinos or non-citizens for that matter who worked to build the wall?  It wouldn't be the first time Trump had something built by non-citizens!  He could actually use this to his advantage now and I'm not sure that he won't.  I can see him offering citizenship to any illegal immigrant who helps to build the wall. 

[Virginiá]

PRAISE BE TO TRUMP!

GOP strategists will look back on this year as the year that they lost almost the entire Hispanic electorate and turned them into very reliable Democrats, along with further solidifying African American support and increasing Asian Democratic numbers.

And of course they will musing over this at a strategy session sometime in the late 2020s as they desperately try to figure out how to take back the White House after being locked out for nearly a generation, and Congress, where they lost full control to a solid Democratic majority just years earlier.

Bless you Mr. Trump! You have delivered all the growing parts of the electorate into Democratic hands. You will not be forgotten.

[James Bond 007]

PRAISE BE TO TRUMP!

GOP strategists will look back on this year as the year that they lost almost the entire Hispanic electorate and turned them into very reliable Democrats, along with further solidifying African American support and increasing Asian Democratic numbers.

And of course they will musing over this at a strategy session sometime in the late 2020s as they desperately try to figure out how to take back the White House after being locked out for nearly a generation, and Congress, where they lost full control to a solid Democratic majority just years earlier.

Bless you Mr. Trump! You have delivered all the growing parts of the electorate into Democratic hands. You will not be forgotten.

You sound hyper.  The only way you'll ever win back the House is to learn how to talk to white voters who are a little higher in income and socially conservative.  That's who votes in midterms.  Obama possibly having to nominate a Republican to the Supreme Court is the end result of your party's failure to listen to the majority.  I'll quote Obama on what he said about the healthcare bill.  "If you want to do something, go out and win an election."  Doing this for your party requires your candidates to give the majority of us a reason to cast our votes in their favor.  Now when talking about Trump, it'll be interesting to see how he does.  Minorities fell off the wagon in the 1960's when it comes to voting so how few of them vote for Trump really doesn't matter. 

[Virginiá]

You sound hyper.  The only way you'll ever win back the House is to learn how to talk to white voters who are a little higher in income and socially conservative.  That's who votes in midterms.

...

Minorities fell off the wagon in the 1960's when it comes to voting so how few of them vote for Trump really doesn't matter. 

1. The GOP isn't going to magically have a multi-generational House majority. The Democrats had one for so long for a number of reasons - Ones that aren't really applicable to Republicans at this time. Further, the GOP's voters are disproportionately concentrated in the older age brackets, but not with a total dominance, either. Failing to craft an agenda that appeals to young people has kept them on track to making the largest generation in history overwhelmingly Democratic. The oldest Millennials are already 35+, and the older they grow the more they vote.

You guys will have the House for a while yet, but in the next 1 - 2 decade(s), or even less considering Trump, and barring any other unforeseen major events - You will lose it unless your party seriously gets it together.


2. What are you even talking about with minorities? 1964 saw a seemingly permanent realignment of almost all the other Republican black voters, save for roughly 10% on average. Their turnout was low until it began racing up in the 90s - 2008, where Obama locked in further support and high turnout levels, likely to stay in that range for a long time.

Hispanics are growing massively, especially in states critical to the GOP's current & future electoral college paths. The rate at which non-white voters are increasing their share of electorate is very, very well-documented and based on the chronically low GOP non-white vote share, it's easy to see how it will affect presidential elections.

So no offense, but there was a whole lot of nonsense in your post.

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/16133227/Pathto270_2016.pdf
http://cookpolitical.com/story/8608

[James Bond 007]

You sound hyper.  The only way you'll ever win back the House is to learn how to talk to white voters who are a little higher in income and socially conservative.  That's who votes in midterms.

...

Minorities fell off the wagon in the 1960's when it comes to voting so how few of them vote for Trump really doesn't matter. 

1. The GOP isn't going to magically have a multi-generational House majority. The Democrats had one for so long for a number of reasons - Ones that aren't really applicable to Republicans at this time. Further, the GOP's voters are disproportionately concentrated in the older age brackets, but not with a total dominance, either. Failing to craft an agenda that appeals to young people has kept them on track to making the largest generation in history overwhelmingly Democratic. The oldest Millennials are already 35+, and the older they grow the more they vote.

You guys will have the House for a while yet, but in the next 1 - 2 decade(s), or even less considering Trump, and barring any other unforeseen major events - You will lose it unless your party seriously gets it together.


2. What are you even talking about with minorities? 1964 saw a seemingly permanent realignment of almost all the other Republican black voters, save for roughly 10% on average. Their turnout was low until it began racing up in the 90s - 2008, where Obama locked in further support and high turnout levels, likely to stay in that range for a long time.

Hispanics are growing massively, especially in states critical to the GOP's current & future electoral college paths. The rate at which non-white voters are increasing their share of electorate is very, very well-documented and based on the chronically low GOP non-white vote share, it's easy to see how it will affect presidential elections.

So no offense, but there was a whole lot of nonsense in your post.

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/16133227/Pathto270_2016.pdf
http://cookpolitical.com/story/8608

No there's not.  Have you been around since 1994?  Republicans have held the House 18 of the past 22 years.  That's almost a generation as you refer.  If you vote in midterm elections you'll see that there's not as many people lined up to vote and understandably so, but the problem is that it's mostly Democrats who don't vote then.  For example, if the 2014 electorate is identical to this year, the Democrats will win about 3 or 4 states.  Sure it's not going to be that way but it's only because there's a greater turn out favoring Democrats in presidential elections.  My point is that in order to win the House, you need to relate to the midterm demographics and that's not something that's really happened since before 1994 with the exception of 2006 when we had a very unpopular war and president.  You're right about Hispanics and non-whites but again they have to vote in midterms too in order for the Republicans to lose the House and even the Senate unless it's a presidential year.  Again let me point out I'm talking about the highly unlikelihood of your party winning back the House in a midterm.  Your most likely path to the House is to win the White House by such a huge margin, meaning your candidate nears 500 EV.  This would have the domino effect because people voting straight party just to make sure the Democratic Presidential candidate wins.

[Oakvale]

Calling TRUMP "Drumpf" is disgusting. Do you call Caitlyn Jenner "Bruce" and Jon Stewart "Leibowitz"?

[Young Conservative]

If Drumpf's hateful campaign were to stimulate a political awakening among the Latino community similar to what happened in California after Prop 187, then some good will actually have come out of it. Probably not enough to outweigh the bad, but still.

Not if they're so grateful when the GOP rejects Trump's nomination that they all end up voting for CRUZ in the General.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha



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first latino president

[Meclazine for Israel]

PRAISE BE TO SANDERS!

Democrat strategists will look back on this year as the year that they helped Bernie Sanders claim the Presidency after Hillary Clinton was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

And of course they will muse over the new national debt of $45 trillion, up $25 trillion in President Sanders first three months as a result of new loans from China to pay for free education and healthcare for all Americans.

President Sanders reassured voters he will pay the debt back sometime in the late 2100s as they desperately try to figure out how to send back the 50 Million mexican immigrants who stormed the Texan border earlier this month as Sanders offered citizenship for all immigrants ending soon.

Bless you President Sanders! You will not be forgotten.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

german-americans aren't an oppressed minority, oakvale

[Leinad]

But...I thought he was leading with Hispanics? I thought they loved him? WHAT ABOUT THE POLLS?!?!?

[Virginiá]

No there's not.  Have you been around since 1994?  Republicans have held the House 18 of the past 22 years.  That's almost a generation as you refer. 

Yes, I actually specifically said multi-generational majority. On top of that, it has not been the kind of solid majorities Democrats enjoyed during their 40+ year occupation of the House. Now you could say that post-Obama, or at least until 2022 when new maps are drawn, their majority will still in the 230 - 245 range, but without rigged maps we're right back to at least upper-90s/early-2000s levels.

If you vote in midterm elections you'll see that there's not as many people lined up to vote and understandably so, but the problem is that it's mostly Democrats who don't vote then.  For example, if the 2014 electorate is identical to this year, the Democrats will win about 3 or 4 states.

Except, as you stated, the 2016 electorate is not going to be the 2014 electorate. Midterms skew older, whiter and more conservative for the time being.

And when I talked about Millennials, I was specifically referring to the fact that the Republican coalition is aging and losing far more voters per year than Democrats, which is another way of saying it's shrinking. As their voters grow older, they'll turn out to vote even more, so that will stave off losses for the next 5-10 years or so, but eventually the Millennial generation will be too large. They'll occupy some of the same age brackets that the Reagan-era Republicans occupy now, aka the voters contributing to significant portions of Republican wins.

I don't know exactly how you're interpreting this. Millennials aren't just going to magically start voting Republican because of some hair-brained false idea that people get more conservative as they age. If Republicans can't pick those voters off the Democratic coalition, they are in for big losses down the road, and as it stands now, Trump is going to deepen their hole among basically all demographics except maybe older white people.

So if Democrats can't pick up any older Republican-leaning voters, then they can just run out the clock. Either way, it looks to be going the same direction.

Again let me point out I'm talking about the highly unlikelihood of your party winning back the House in a midterm.  Your most likely path to the House is to win the White House by such a huge margin, meaning your candidate nears 500 EV.  This would have the domino effect because people voting straight party just to make sure the Democratic Presidential candidate wins.

When exactly do you see Republicans losing the House? Because generational voting patterns are pretty easy to study and with that, Republicans simply don't have the voters now to maintain a majority decades into the future. So I don't understand who you think is going to power this majority.

Also, the EV count is sort of useless in this scenario. Yes, straight ticket voting is almost universal now, and yes, a high EV count is more likely to indicate significant coattails, but it isn't for sure. Clinton could trounce Trump with 500+ EVs, but only win by 1% in most non-blue wall states. So I wouldn't necessarily say it means anything. After all, Obama won something like 365 EVs in 2008 and also brought with him a significant House majority. Different situation, I know, but still relevant.

[ag]

Do you call ...Jon Stewart "Leibowitz"?

Trump does. He is merely being repaid in his own currency.

[Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it.]

PRAISE BE TO TRUMP!

GOP strategists will look back on this year as the year that they lost almost the entire Hispanic electorate and turned them into very reliable Democrats, along with further solidifying African American support and increasing Asian Democratic numbers.

And of course they will musing over this at a strategy session sometime in the late 2020s as they desperately try to figure out how to take back the White House after being locked out for nearly a generation, and Congress, where they lost full control to a solid Democratic majority just years earlier.

Bless you Mr. Trump! You have delivered all the growing parts of the electorate into Democratic hands. You will not be forgotten.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Calling TRUMP "Drumpf" is disgusting. Do you call Caitlyn Jenner "Bruce" and Jon Stewart "Leibowitz"?

I have some basic level of respect for Jenner ans Stewart.

Also, "Drumpf" isn't antisemitic, transphobic, or otherwise hateful toward any group (unless you want to argue it's anti-German, in which case all I can say is LOL).

[Middle-aged Europe]

Calling TRUMP "Drumpf" is disgusting. Do you call Caitlyn Jenner "Bruce" and Jon Stewart "Leibowitz"?

No... not disgusting enough, my friend. We have to Drumpf it up.

[Averroës Nix]

So you might call Trumpusconi... a recruiting sergeant for the Democratic Party?

[ag]

So you might call Trumpusconi... a recruiting sergeant for the Democratic Party?

To a degree. Trumpez is pushing people to participate, lest they be hurt. In illiberal democracies one has to push back - his twin Hugo has done a great job showing this to be the fact in Venezuela.