Do you know any poor white people?

[Yank2133]

Oh God, I hate these comments and the poor white-hating done.

Yes, absolutely.  This is plain ignorance.  This is why Democrats have no hope of winning West Virginia.  This is why Matt Bevin is governor of Kentucky.  This is what is the matter with Kansas.  This is why George W. Bush won in 2000.  

This forum is hilarious. How many different groups of people are constantly bashed here? Yet like clockwork, the second anyone takes aim at the hicks, droves of people start hyperventilating about how mean, insensitive, and cruel you are. lol

As for your post, GOOD! I don't want WV/KY in the Democratic coalition. Democrats being angst ridden about those places voting Republican is about as silly as if Republicans were angst ridden about not being able to appeal to socialists in Vermont or far left hippies in San Francisco. Oh wait, that wouldn't happen, since they're not retarded. If anything, bashing those places helps fire up their base and improve where they actually need to.

You Hillary supporters are working hard to shrink the party.

Shrink the party? They are a dying voting block that have chosen social issues over economic issue. Seriously, some of you guys need to wake up, they are never going to vote for the Democrats.

Maybe they saw that there wasn't much difference between the parties on economic issues after NAFTA and welfare reform, so they might as well just vote on social issues.

You make it sound as if these people stopped voting for the Democrats the minute Clinton was elected.

[Figueira]

Democrats:
#NoPoorWhitePeopleExist
#WhyDon'tTheyVoteForUs

Let's be honest: very, very few poor whites vote Democratic. Democrats are more likely to not be in the same social circle as poor whites, so they are the elite ones here. Also, I find it ironic the Democrats want votes from people who don't exist.

No one actually thinks that poor white people don't exist.

[Yank2133]

Anyway, poor Appalachians/Southern whites are never going to vote for us.

Never is a strong word given that, for instance, rather a lot voted for Al Gore even.

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lmao

Which party wants to protect the majority of the programs that many of these people benefit from? It sure as hell isn't the GOP.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

My point was that hicks are the only "protected group" among Atlas lefties.

Utterly bizarre statement.

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Posters have been banned for all of those reasons in the past and attempts to have others banned on those grounds are not infrequent. Not aware of anyone being banned for being anti-hick, whatever that would mean.

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Translation: special snowflake IceSpear doesn't like being called out on his moronic behavior and so screams about how its all SO UNFAIR.

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Literally seeing a self-identifying Progressive pull that silly old AMERICA canard of an antisocialist argument. Fycking amazing.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

To paraphrase a great political philosopher of our time. "Rural voters know exactly what they are doing".

Its interesting that 'rural' is being used as a shorthand here...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

and my psyche isn't fragile glass like some here

True enough. You seem to be a bit too stupid to have properly developed feelings.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

chosen social issues over economic issue.

It's interesting that this is so often treated as such an obviously bad and stupid heuristic. In reality the issue is more likely simply that the views on social issues in question are seen as objectionable (some of them obviously ARE objectionable, of course; others are more debatable). You don't see this argument getting made against rich social liberals who vote for Democrats.

[Yank2133]

chosen social issues over economic issue.

It's interesting that this is so often treated as such an obviously bad and stupid heuristic. In reality the issue is more likely simply that the views on social issues in question are seen as objectionable (some of them obviously ARE objectionable, of course; others are more debatable). You don't see this argument getting made against rich social liberals who vote for Democrats.

I am not demonizing them at all for making that choice. Personally, I think it is silly, but for some voters, social issues are just more important then economic issues.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

chosen social issues over economic issue.

It's interesting that this is so often treated as such an obviously bad and stupid heuristic. In reality the issue is more likely simply that the views on social issues in question are seen as objectionable (some of them obviously ARE objectionable, of course; others are more debatable). You don't see this argument getting made against rich social liberals who vote for Democrats.

I am not demonizing them at all for making that choice. Personally, I think it is silly, but for some voters, social issues are just more important then economic issues.

That's more than fair. Plenty of people who make that point do, however, intend for the people to whom they make it to see doing that as inherently and obviously and objectively wrong.

[Coolface Sock #42069]

Sanders shouldn't have said this. But having represented the whitest state in the nation, he didn't mean it.

No way he would get the benefit of the doubt if he were a Republican.

[Mr. Reactionary]

This thread was torture

[Ban my account ffs!]

There are tons of poor white people where I grew up.  And there's often animosity because while Native Americans are very poor too, they often get assistance that is not available to white people.. namely moneys and benefits distributed through their tribe.

I'd imagine though on this forum the number of people who have lived in deep poverty where you had no access to money even from family or friends is very low.

And it takes a lot of ignorance and stupidity to make a claim like "white people can't be poor" especially since you're probably doing quite well financially and have used that security to literally sequester yourself away from poor white people.

It's like you know they are there, but you just deny their existence as some form of sick elitist schadenfreude simply because they're the only group you can do that to with relatively few consequences.

[Oak Hills]

And it takes a lot of ignorance and stupidity to make a claim like "white people can't be poor" especially since you're probably doing quite well financially and have used that security to literally sequester yourself away from poor white people.

Literally no one in this thread has said that. That's a total straw man.

[Ban my account ffs!]

And it takes a lot of ignorance and stupidity to make a claim like "white people can't be poor" especially since you're probably doing quite well financially and have used that security to literally sequester yourself away from poor white people.

Literally no one in this thread has said that. That's a total straw man.

I didn't post that exclusively in the context of the discussion in this thread.. but in the context of what inspired this thread.. which was the awful remark by Sanders that was hopefully him just poorly choosing his words.  (which it most likely was)

That said.. Atlas has a nerdy upper-middle class sheltered young suburban elitist streak that should be challenged as much as possible.

[Lyin' Steve]

And it takes a lot of ignorance and stupidity to make a claim like "white people can't be poor" especially since you're probably doing quite well financially and have used that security to literally sequester yourself away from poor white people.

Literally no one in this thread has said that. That's a total straw man.

Bernie said it

[Oak Hills]

And it takes a lot of ignorance and stupidity to make a claim like "white people can't be poor" especially since you're probably doing quite well financially and have used that security to literally sequester yourself away from poor white people.

Literally no one in this thread has said that. That's a total straw man.

Bernie said it

He clearly misspoke. You are blinded by your hatred of him if you think he actually believes that there  aren't poor white people in this country.

[Lyin' Steve]

And it takes a lot of ignorance and stupidity to make a claim like "white people can't be poor" especially since you're probably doing quite well financially and have used that security to literally sequester yourself away from poor white people.

Literally no one in this thread has said that. That's a total straw man.

Bernie said it

He clearly misspoke. You are blinded by your hatred of him if you think he actually believes that there  aren't poor white people in this country.

He didn't mis-speak, he pandered.  He knew/hoped his white liberal base wouldn't care.  Obviously he doesn't believe what he said, he's from Vermont.

[Oak Hills]

And it takes a lot of ignorance and stupidity to make a claim like "white people can't be poor" especially since you're probably doing quite well financially and have used that security to literally sequester yourself away from poor white people.

Literally no one in this thread has said that. That's a total straw man.

Bernie said it

He clearly misspoke. You are blinded by your hatred of him if you think he actually believes that there  aren't poor white people in this country.

He didn't mis-speak, he pandered.  He knew/hoped his white liberal base wouldn't care.  Obviously he doesn't believe what he said, he's from Vermont.

That's ridiculous. Whom could he possibly be pandering to that would think that?

[IceSpear]

This forum is hilarious. How many different groups of people are constantly bashed here? Yet like clockwork, the second anyone takes aim at the hicks, droves of people start hyperventilating about how mean, insensitive, and cruel you are. lol

This is a really curious complaint given that we have had longterm posters banned for racist and homophobic remarks.

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You appear to have something of a superiority complex, which is curious as you don't exactly come across as intelligent.

But I'm reminded now of 'Red' Ted Grant of Lambeth who while out canvassing encountered a senior local government officer who said that he intended to vote Labour and responded to this by shouting 'I don't want someone of your class voting for me!' - except that at least that was laughable ideological inflexibility rather than pure unadulterated snobbery.

I think the unintelligent person is the one who has no concept of political coalitions. A political party cannot be all things to all people. There's no reason to try to appeal to people who believe the polar opposite of what your party stands for.

[IceSpear]

My point was that hicks are the only "protected group" among Atlas lefties.

Utterly bizarre statement.

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Posters have been banned for all of those reasons in the past and attempts to have others banned on those grounds are not infrequent. Not aware of anyone being banned for being anti-hick, whatever that would mean.

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Translation: special snowflake IceSpear doesn't like being called out on his moronic behavior and so screams about how its all SO UNFAIR.

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Literally seeing a self-identifying Progressive pull that silly old AMERICA canard of an antisocialist argument. Fycking amazing.

Who said anything about being banned for being "anti hick?" It's about forum lynch mobs, not official responses.

I couldn't care less that people are "calling me out." I knew exactly that would happen, I've observed it for years. Bashing no other group of people other than poor whites evokes such a visceral and widespread response from this forum. It's quite curious, and it proved my point. As for your last statement, I suppose you're one of those silly and delusional far leftists that think the only way to achieve upward mobility these days is hitting the lottery? lol. Really not doing much to dispel the fiction that you're a moron.

[Oak Hills]

My point was that hicks are the only "protected group" among Atlas lefties.

Utterly bizarre statement.

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Posters have been banned for all of those reasons in the past and attempts to have others banned on those grounds are not infrequent. Not aware of anyone being banned for being anti-hick, whatever that would mean.

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Translation: special snowflake IceSpear doesn't like being called out on his moronic behavior and so screams about how its all SO UNFAIR.

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Literally seeing a self-identifying Progressive pull that silly old AMERICA canard of an antisocialist argument. Fycking amazing.

I couldn't care less that people are "calling me out." I knew exactly that would happen, I've observed it for years. Bashing no other group of people other than poor whites evokes such a visceral and widespread response from this forum. It's quite curious, and it proved my point.

I think maybe it's because in the white liberal circles most on here are in, it goes without saying that bashing minorities is not acceptable, so it's assumed only a minority on here would say things like that and it's not worth arguing with those people, whereas with poor whites, that is an unfortunately widespread sentiment among white liberals, so people feel the need to push back against it since they  fear that a majority of this forum would agree with that.

[IceSpear]

My point was that hicks are the only "protected group" among Atlas lefties.

Utterly bizarre statement.

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Posters have been banned for all of those reasons in the past and attempts to have others banned on those grounds are not infrequent. Not aware of anyone being banned for being anti-hick, whatever that would mean.

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Translation: special snowflake IceSpear doesn't like being called out on his moronic behavior and so screams about how its all SO UNFAIR.

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Literally seeing a self-identifying Progressive pull that silly old AMERICA canard of an antisocialist argument. Fycking amazing.

I couldn't care less that people are "calling me out." I knew exactly that would happen, I've observed it for years. Bashing no other group of people other than poor whites evokes such a visceral and widespread response from this forum. It's quite curious, and it proved my point.

I think maybe it's because in the white liberal circles most on here are in, it goes without saying that bashing minorities is not acceptable, so it's assumed only a minority on here would say things like that and it's not worth arguing with those people, whereas with poor whites, that is an unfortunately widespread sentiment among white liberals, so people feel the need to push back against it since they  fear that a majority of this forum would agree with that.

That's plausible. Empathy probably has a lot to do with it as well. It's a lot easier for white guys to empathize with other white guys than it is to do so with women, minorities, etc.

[Bigby]

Oh God, I hate these comments and the poor white-hating done.

That's what happens when you don't blindly endorse paternalistic latte liberals.

[James Bond 007]

I know white people with rats all over their house.  In fact there's trash and dog crap everywhere too.  One time I visited and the dog peed upstairs and it dripped onto me when I walked in.  Their pipes are frozen at times in the winter even when they let the faucets drip.  It constantly smells like cigarettes and weed.  There's no insulation either so they run their furnace non-stop in the winter just to keep it 55 degrees inside.  In fact they had to sell their son's Scooby Doo movies just to be able to afford cigarettes.  Their washer works but their dryer is broken so they have to hand their clothes all over the railing of the stairs.  This makes their house smell even worse.   There was another time I came over to help them drain their tub.  For 6 months straight, they had to empty it with a bucket because their drain was clogged.  Finally their landlord fixed it by digging up their son's room and pulling out a hairball the size of a basketball.  It makes sense too because one of their mothers began staying there.  She's hairy and shaved in their shower a lot. Around the time it clogged she moved in there along with one of their brothers, a homeless guy who knew the mother, a dealer from a few blocks over, his girlfriend, and her son.  Most of the time if I visited for dinner, I'd politely offer to bring things because they didn't have much food due to the fact they spent almost all of their food stamps on weed.  Perhaps the worst was when the girl cheated on the guy every night and would come home late leaving him to look after her son while she hooked up with a guy from work and did dusters.  When she got home he screamed at her and squeezed the head of one of the rats until its brains popped out and told her she's next if it happens again.  Weird thing is she just laughed and called her 4 year old son into the room to look at how cool it was to see a rat's brains.  Her mom who clogged their shower drain from shaving told her she's going to get her ass beat and she deserves it.  Their soon always asked to come with us when we left.  Fact of the matter is all of these people were perfectly content with these things going on and no transportation because they had Direct TV, cell phones, wifi, and weed. 

At least they weren't as bad as the family across the street who had to cook their dinner with hotdogs on sticks in front of a manmade fire because they had no electricity.  This family had a 2-3 year old daughter who would just wander blocks away with no clothes on because no one paid attention to her.  They also had several dogs die constantly.  Each time I'd visit they'd have a different dog and a weird story about how they died.  I'll say this is in a different state than mine to explain the freezing temperatures and pipes freezing but that also goes for this family.  Where they were it was 4 degrees and damp and they left their dog outside barking all night.  How they were able to sleep is beyond me.  The next day I called the dog over to my car and took him to a better home.  I think it was more than justified.  Lastly, for those of you who think all poor people should vote Democrat, all of these people were conservatives who disliked Obama as much as I do and didn't believe a word he said. 

[Meclazine for Israel]

Xenophobia, racism, sexism, and homophobia is brushed off as "legitimate respectful political disagreement."

Interesting concept. In Australia, i have found the political process of dealing with indigenous aboriginal issues completely and utterly hamstrung by lack of this exact "legitimate respectful political" discussion.

Any comments viewed as being objective fact and of concern about aboriginal issues immediately draw comparisons to right wing extremists.

That is what we see hear also on the forums.

It's just the internet where the written word has an overly exaggerative effect.

To discuss the Trump campaign, you will need a PhD in Xenophobia to understand what is in the minds of certain voter groups.