SE2- People's Government Amendment 2 (debating)

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

II. Any non-southern citizen may introduce a bill, so long as their region has an equivalent right for Southern citizens. This shall be held after at least two other regions have passed an equivalent, as determined by the presiding officer of the legislature.

Sponsor: Haslam

Let's debate! aye!

[Leinad]

First of all, it should look like this:

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Changes:

• Specified the article it amends
• "introduce" > "sponsor"
• "held" is vague, I presume Kingpoleon meant "put into effect" EDIT: "implemented" is even better. (The details of this will be something I'd like to bring up once Haslam okays my changes.)
• "ratified" is more clear than "passed"--at least I presume Kingpoleon means the people ratifying the amendment as opposed to the Legislature passing it, although he may not.
• I rephrased the "equivalent" part to more unambiguously define that it's "equivalency" is determined by the Speaker in both usages--previously it only seemed to indicate the latter usage was Speaker-determined, and merely implied it in the former. When it comes to bills and especially constitutional amendments, clearer is always better.
• Capitalization of proper nouns.

Also, "People's Government Amendment 2" is a possibly confusing (not to mention uncreative) name. Not sure what to call it, though. Maybe the "Universal Sponsorship Amendment?" I ask that Speaker Haslam, as he sponsored this amendment, at least consider changing it.


Once we get done with the housekeeping (i.e. Haslam either accepts or rejects my changes, and either changes the amendment's title or gives a rationale why the current one is best) we can debate the substance of this amendment--I certainly have some thoughts on it.

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

Got it sir, the changes will happen soon!

[Leinad]

Got it sir, the changes will happen soon!

It wasn't a command, as this is both your house (as Speaker) and your amendment, it was merely a helpful suggestion. Although, bear in mind that I do have veto-power.

Hopefully you can make the changes (how long does it take? Actually, wouldn't you just need to say "yeah, I approve that amendment" and change the name if you want? What are we waiting for?) and we can get into the actual substance of the amendment.

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

Oh true XDDD hold up hmmm that's a good name actually! Let's debate the substance now!

[Leinad]

I think you'd need to change the title on the original post.

Anyway, substance:

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I think we should have the number be higher than two. Personally, I'd say all four other regions would need to ratify an equivalent (and those equivalents could also include a clause about waiting until the other four, so that they all activate at the same time). I'm just not fond of letting, say, a Mideast citizen sponsor legislature for the other 4 regions while a citizen of the South, or anywhere else, could only due it for 3 others because the Mideast hasn't ratified one of these amendments.

Two solutions:
A. Make it where it's only implemented after every other region ratifies it.
B. Make it where it only applies for citizens of regions that have ratified an equivalent amendment.

Thoughts?

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

I think you'd need to change the title on the original post.

Anyway, substance:

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I think we should have the number be higher than two. Personally, I'd say all four other regions would need to ratify an equivalent (and those equivalents could also include a clause about waiting until the other four, so that they all activate at the same time). I'm just not fond of letting, say, a Mideast citizen sponsor legislature for the other 4 regions while a citizen of the South, or anywhere else, could only due it for 3 others because the Mideast hasn't ratified one of these amendments.

Two solutions:
A. Make it where it's only implemented after every other region ratifies it.
B. Make it where it only applies for citizens of regions that have ratified an equivalent amendment.

Thoughts?

I strongly agree! Maybe when we approve this this is voted on in other legislatures and has a May implementation? This will be great for not just the South, but all of Atlasia!

[Leinad]

Two solutions:
A. Make it where it's only implemented after every other region ratifies it.
B. Make it where it only applies for citizens of regions that have ratified an equivalent amendment.

I strongly agree!

Agree with which one?

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

B, but A's good too

[Leinad]

What do Steelers and Pingvin think, should it only be implemented after everyone else ratifies it (A) or where it only applies for regions that ratify it (B)?

[Ex-Assemblyman Steelers]

I am for A.

[Pingvin]

I support A.

[Leinad]

Alright, since A seems to be more popular, how about this:

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Haslam?

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

I support it!

[Leinad]

(Haslam should change the title of the original post to the new name he'd rather it be--presumably "Universal Sponsorship Amendment.")

Alright, this is what it looks like now:

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I'm still unsure about the whole concept of letting non-Southerners sponsor bills for our legislature.

How about this:

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If you don't like this you don't have to accept it--we could put it up to a vote and see what Steelers and Pingvin think. (Huh, we normally just accept amendments to things, it's rare that we actually debate whether we should amend something a certain way. Which is...interesting.)

Basically, this makes it where a Southern citizen still has some advantage in regards to deciding what his/her Legislature discusses.

[Kingpoleon]

Could someone explain why A is preferable to B to me, please?

[Leinad]

Could someone explain why A is preferable to B to me, please?

Maybe simplicity?

I probably would've chosen B myself, but a majority of Legislators thought A was best, so I went with the consensus in my amendment, which was accepted by the bill's sponsor.

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

Should we vote?

[Leinad]

Should we vote?

Of course not, no one has addressed my proposed amendment.