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Fuzzy Bear
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« on: March 12, 2016, 08:50:17 AM »


LOL! Sure they agree, cause they are trying to beat TRUMP and will say anything they think will hurt TRUMP.

This is very true.  Normally, the GOP candidates would channel their 1968 Dick Nixon and point out that the response to this event was that we were blaming the violence on "everyone but the rioters themselves".  But when it comes to Donald Trump, these "principled conservatives" who call for "personal responsibility" are doing a 180 degree turn on their standard orthodoxy.

Donald Trump, Jr. is right on his tweet about liberals loving the 1st Amendment until you say something that they disagree with.  

If you disagree with Trump, don't go to his rallies.  Go out and do the hard work of convincing people that you are right and get folks to vote against Trump.  Turn out more folks to vote against Trump.  What these folks disrupting Trump rallies are doing is nothing short of coercive behavior that gives folks attending Trump rallies the choice between (A) submitting to intimidation and leaving, or (B) responding in kind.  They are no better than the abusive husbands/boyfriends who engage in domestic abuse in the form of threats and coercion, which they can back up because of their size/strength advantages over their female partners.  Then, they are shocked when their female partner fights back.  The difference between the violence of the instigators of violence (the abusive husbands and the protestors) and those who respond (the female partners and the rally attendees) is the difference between those who deliberately intimidate and those who wish to be free from intimidation in an environment where they have every right to be.

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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2016, 06:55:58 PM »

Trump is indirectly to blame, as his rhetoric encourages extremists from both sides to come out of the woodwork. In this instance, however, the protestors are to blame. If they really want to protest Trump, they should go and cast their ballots against one of his opponents (in the primary or the general). This does not excuse the other incidents of Trump supporters attacking people.

This is horsecrap!

Trump is not inciting to riot.  What he IS doing is calling for (A) our EXISTING immigration laws to be enforced, and (B) a reassessment of our immigration policy in light of deadly incidents that suggest that our current de facto immigration policy might not be in the best interests of the USA.  And he has facts to back up his reasoning; the San Bernadino murderous jihadist's wife entered our country with minimal vetting.  

If we are going to blame Trump and his constituency for what others (who are non-supportive of Trump) do at his (Trump's) events, then how dare anyone criticizing Trump for his comments on Muslims?  Where is the outcry about hateful Jihadist rhetoric, the effect it has on its listeners, and how others have their head in the sand on this issue because they hope that Muslims in America will become citizens and staunch voting Democrats?  

I suggest we blame the disturbances at Trump's events on those doing the disturbing.  Period.
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2016, 07:02:54 PM »

And the protesters had a right to protest. Freedom of assembly.

But they don't have a right to be disorderly in public.  They don't have the right to disrupt a public event that is sponsored by a particular organization for a particular purpose.  Their right to protest is one that occurs on public property.  If they want to picket folks as they go in, that's fine, but they don't have a right to obstruct ingress and egress, threaten, or physically harm persons.  People attending Trump's rallies have rights to, including the right from not being assaulted or battered by a demonstrator.  And a demonstrator who threatens folks at a public rally while disrupting it is committing an assault.  That's not the 1st amendment, any more than a bank robber handing over a note demanding money and stating that he has a gun is "free speech".
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2016, 07:16:05 PM »
« Edited: March 12, 2016, 07:18:02 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

Trump is indirectly to blame, as his rhetoric encourages extremists from both sides to come out of the woodwork. In this instance, however, the protestors are to blame. If they really want to protest Trump, they should go and cast their ballots against one of his opponents (in the primary or the general). This does not excuse the other incidents of Trump supporters attacking people.

This is horsecrap!

Trump is not inciting to riot.  What he IS doing is calling for (A) our EXISTING immigration laws to be enforced, and (B) a reassessment of our immigration policy in light of deadly incidents that suggest that our current de facto immigration policy might not be in the best interests of the USA.  And he has facts to back up his reasoning; the San Bernadino murderous jihadist's wife entered our country with minimal vetting.  

If we are going to blame Trump and his constituency for what others (who are non-supportive of Trump) do at his (Trump's) events, then how dare anyone criticizing Trump for his comments on Muslims?  Where is the outcry about hateful Jihadist rhetoric, the effect it has on its listeners, and how others have their head in the sand on this issue because they hope that Muslims in America will become citizens and staunch voting Democrats?  

I suggest we blame the disturbances at Trump's events on those doing the disturbing.  Period.

Trump brings out the worst in people. Hate only breeds hate. You cannot deny that his supporters have also acted uncivilized. He's a war criminal in the making and only stirs up fear and hate. Not love.

But if these folks were angry blacks protesting criminal justice inequities or the outcome of the Trayvon Martin case, you wouldn't say that of Al Sharpton.  When violence occurred in Ferguson and Baltimore, were you OK with Sharpton and others leading folks in chants of "No Justice, No Peace!"?  

Donald Trump is nowhere near that level of condoning actual violence.  Trump is, however, been put in a position of having to respond to the violence of others at his rallies that are instigated by others, and not by his supporters.  This does not justify Trump, or anyone in the crowd, to use "deadly force", but it does justify security, police, or another lawful authority to remove folks who are disrupting an event that was put on by the Trump campaign.

A political rally is not a public meeting.  If you don't like Trump, don't go to his rallies.  If you wish, protest outside.  But don't interrupt the business going on; that's not YOUR right.  Trump does send the message that it's HIS rally and he's not going to be intimidated off of a stage.  Good for him!  If we're OK with goon squads disrupting Trump rallies, then this isn't a 1st Amendment country anymore, and it won't be Trump that killed it.
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