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« Reply #75 on: January 03, 2004, 01:57:09 PM »

Indeed, Goldwater was no fan of the religious right. He was a libertarian Republican really, he was considered extreme right in his day, but by today's standards he'd be a moderate.
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« Reply #76 on: January 03, 2004, 03:31:45 PM »

O'Conner--well mixed reviews with her.  One of 4 I've never met personally.  But she is a bit flip floppy on some issues.  Very good on states rights though.
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« Reply #77 on: January 03, 2004, 04:54:40 PM »

I wasn't saying that Vietnam was unjust, I was establishing a principle. Though I am sceptical about it. Stopping communism? I'll allow, that's what people thought. The south was as bad as the north and the Communistic Vietnam actually overthrew the worse Communist government in Asia; Kampuchea. You have to choose your wars, and Vietnam was a bad choice. Especially considering the fact that you didn't win.

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Gustaf, I don't agree with you that the south was as bad as the north.  Whatever the shortcomings of the government in the south, it did not lead to millions of people putting themselves on rickety boats in the South China Sea, with almost no chance of survival, just to get away from the hell on earth that the communists created.

Even during the terrible war, Vietnamese stayed in their own country, for the most part.  Not until conditions became so unbearable under the communists did they leave.

I agree that it was a poorly chosen war for the US, and also poorly administered by the Washington politicians, starting with LBJ.  But I can't say it was wrong to try to prevent such an awful group of people from expanding their power.

You don't go to war with all countries in the world b/c they're bad guys. So you pick your wars, and you shouldn't have picked Vietnam, for many reasons.

To jravnsbo: you killed a lot of Vietnamese civilians, in order to win you would have had to kill a lot, lot more. And a civilized country doesn't do that. They wouldn't have stopped b/c it was easy for the vietnamese to spin it as a liberation war, which it partly was, against a foreign invader. Even rouge states has a hard time winning these, a democracy could never do it. It was unwinnable.
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« Reply #78 on: January 03, 2004, 04:57:11 PM »

O'Conner--well mixed reviews with her.  One of 4 I've never met personally.  But she is a bit flip floppy on some issues.  Very good on states rights though.
She is for Roe v. Wade right?
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« Reply #79 on: January 03, 2004, 06:34:45 PM »

yes.  but she did agree to lighten the standard in 1992 under Casey to an "undue burden" on the states instead of strict scrutiny, which is the law now.




O'Conner--well mixed reviews with her.  One of 4 I've never met personally.  But she is a bit flip floppy on some issues.  Very good on states rights though.
She is for Roe v. Wade right?
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« Reply #80 on: January 03, 2004, 06:35:43 PM »

What happened here?
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« Reply #81 on: January 03, 2004, 06:35:54 PM »

yes.  but she did agree to lighten the standard in 1992 under Casey to an "undue burden" on the states instead of strict scrutiny, which is the law now.




O'Conner--well mixed reviews with her.  One of 4 I've never met personally.  But she is a bit flip floppy on some issues.  Very good on states rights though.
She is for Roe v. Wade right?

Why are these posts looking so weird?
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« Reply #82 on: January 03, 2004, 06:37:39 PM »

I don't know why.
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« Reply #83 on: January 03, 2004, 06:39:23 PM »

gustaf started it! Smiley
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« Reply #84 on: January 03, 2004, 06:42:01 PM »


WHAT! lol. Is the kind of rethoric we can expect from the GOP? Smiley
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« Reply #85 on: January 03, 2004, 06:43:05 PM »

Another cheap shot to a dem from an AFRNC activist.
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« Reply #86 on: January 03, 2004, 06:44:40 PM »




true though, gosh hard to fight the truth (dean's problem too)

that is where it changed on my screen.


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« Reply #87 on: January 03, 2004, 06:45:43 PM »

This is fun!  WEeeeeeeeeeee
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« Reply #88 on: January 03, 2004, 06:46:59 PM »

Hmph. It's back to normal now.
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« Reply #89 on: January 03, 2004, 06:47:47 PM »




true though, gosh hard to fight the truth (dean's problem too)

that is where it changed on my screen.



Well, but then maybe something is wrong with your screen! (I'm not going to admit to the same fact being true of my screen...). Smiley
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« Reply #90 on: January 03, 2004, 06:48:13 PM »


You ruined it! Smiley
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« Reply #91 on: January 03, 2004, 06:49:09 PM »

Once it changed pages, it was alright.  so here we are now.
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« Reply #92 on: January 05, 2004, 11:22:27 AM »

Bill Bradley Expected to Endorse Dean

DES MOINES, Iowa - Former U.S. Sen. Bill Bradley (news - web sites), who lost the Democratic nomination for president to Al Gore (news - web sites) in 2000, is expected to endorse front-runner Howard Dean (news - web sites), party officials said Monday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Dean and Bradley planned to announce the endorsement this week.

Dean has changed his campaign schedule to appear Tuesday in New Hampshire for a surprise announcement, state campaign director Karen Hicks said Monday. Campaigning in Iowa, Dean said he could neither confirm nor deny the report.


Bradley gave Gore a scare early in the 2000 primary process but eventually lost both the Iowa caucuses and the follow-up New Hampshire primary to the sitting vice president.


Bradley was a favorite of higher-educated, higher-income Democrats, according to party polls, a constituency that has leaned toward Dean in this year's contest.


The endorsement is further evidence of Dean's transformation from a political asterisk 12 months ago to the party's leading candidate. Dean secured Gore's endorsement last month and already leads in fund raising and in most state and national polls.


Bradley, 60, served three terms as senator from New Jersey, from 1979 to 1996. He was a Rhodes Scholar and an All-American basketball player at Princeton and later a star with the New York Knicks.
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« Reply #93 on: January 05, 2004, 11:33:35 AM »

Hm, picking up endorsements from losers all over the place, are we? Why do so many people support Dean, aren't they the least bit worried about electability???

Bill Bradley Expected to Endorse Dean

DES MOINES, Iowa - Former U.S. Sen. Bill Bradley (news - web sites), who lost the Democratic nomination for president to Al Gore (news - web sites) in 2000, is expected to endorse front-runner Howard Dean (news - web sites), party officials said Monday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Dean and Bradley planned to announce the endorsement this week.

Dean has changed his campaign schedule to appear Tuesday in New Hampshire for a surprise announcement, state campaign director Karen Hicks said Monday. Campaigning in Iowa, Dean said he could neither confirm nor deny the report.


Bradley gave Gore a scare early in the 2000 primary process but eventually lost both the Iowa caucuses and the follow-up New Hampshire primary to the sitting vice president.


Bradley was a favorite of higher-educated, higher-income Democrats, according to party polls, a constituency that has leaned toward Dean in this year's contest.


The endorsement is further evidence of Dean's transformation from a political asterisk 12 months ago to the party's leading candidate. Dean secured Gore's endorsement last month and already leads in fund raising and in most state and national polls.


Bradley, 60, served three terms as senator from New Jersey, from 1979 to 1996. He was a Rhodes Scholar and an All-American basketball player at Princeton and later a star with the New York Knicks.

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« Reply #94 on: January 05, 2004, 12:02:03 PM »

Bradley was the left candidate int he last primary vs Gore.


Hm, picking up endorsements from losers all over the place, are we? Why do so many people support Dean, aren't they the least bit worried about electability???

Bill Bradley Expected to Endorse Dean

DES MOINES, Iowa - Former U.S. Sen. Bill Bradley (news - web sites), who lost the Democratic nomination for president to Al Gore (news - web sites) in 2000, is expected to endorse front-runner Howard Dean (news - web sites), party officials said Monday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Dean and Bradley planned to announce the endorsement this week.

Dean has changed his campaign schedule to appear Tuesday in New Hampshire for a surprise announcement, state campaign director Karen Hicks said Monday. Campaigning in Iowa, Dean said he could neither confirm nor deny the report.


Bradley gave Gore a scare early in the 2000 primary process but eventually lost both the Iowa caucuses and the follow-up New Hampshire primary to the sitting vice president.


Bradley was a favorite of higher-educated, higher-income Democrats, according to party polls, a constituency that has leaned toward Dean in this year's contest.


The endorsement is further evidence of Dean's transformation from a political asterisk 12 months ago to the party's leading candidate. Dean secured Gore's endorsement last month and already leads in fund raising and in most state and national polls.


Bradley, 60, served three terms as senator from New Jersey, from 1979 to 1996. He was a Rhodes Scholar and an All-American basketball player at Princeton and later a star with the New York Knicks.

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« Reply #95 on: January 05, 2004, 12:26:33 PM »

Yes, but still...it's depressing... Sad

Bradley was the left candidate int he last primary vs Gore.


Hm, picking up endorsements from losers all over the place, are we? Why do so many people support Dean, aren't they the least bit worried about electability???

Bill Bradley Expected to Endorse Dean

DES MOINES, Iowa - Former U.S. Sen. Bill Bradley (news - web sites), who lost the Democratic nomination for president to Al Gore (news - web sites) in 2000, is expected to endorse front-runner Howard Dean (news - web sites), party officials said Monday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Dean and Bradley planned to announce the endorsement this week.

Dean has changed his campaign schedule to appear Tuesday in New Hampshire for a surprise announcement, state campaign director Karen Hicks said Monday. Campaigning in Iowa, Dean said he could neither confirm nor deny the report.


Bradley gave Gore a scare early in the 2000 primary process but eventually lost both the Iowa caucuses and the follow-up New Hampshire primary to the sitting vice president.


Bradley was a favorite of higher-educated, higher-income Democrats, according to party polls, a constituency that has leaned toward Dean in this year's contest.


The endorsement is further evidence of Dean's transformation from a political asterisk 12 months ago to the party's leading candidate. Dean secured Gore's endorsement last month and already leads in fund raising and in most state and national polls.


Bradley, 60, served three terms as senator from New Jersey, from 1979 to 1996. He was a Rhodes Scholar and an All-American basketball player at Princeton and later a star with the New York Knicks.

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« Reply #96 on: January 05, 2004, 02:08:45 PM »

Not to Republicans! Smiley

Yes, but still...it's depressing... Sad

Bradley was the left candidate int he last primary vs Gore.


Hm, picking up endorsements from losers all over the place, are we? Why do so many people support Dean, aren't they the least bit worried about electability???

Bill Bradley Expected to Endorse Dean

DES MOINES, Iowa - Former U.S. Sen. Bill Bradley (news - web sites), who lost the Democratic nomination for president to Al Gore (news - web sites) in 2000, is expected to endorse front-runner Howard Dean (news - web sites), party officials said Monday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Dean and Bradley planned to announce the endorsement this week.

Dean has changed his campaign schedule to appear Tuesday in New Hampshire for a surprise announcement, state campaign director Karen Hicks said Monday. Campaigning in Iowa, Dean said he could neither confirm nor deny the report.


Bradley gave Gore a scare early in the 2000 primary process but eventually lost both the Iowa caucuses and the follow-up New Hampshire primary to the sitting vice president.


Bradley was a favorite of higher-educated, higher-income Democrats, according to party polls, a constituency that has leaned toward Dean in this year's contest.


The endorsement is further evidence of Dean's transformation from a political asterisk 12 months ago to the party's leading candidate. Dean secured Gore's endorsement last month and already leads in fund raising and in most state and national polls.


Bradley, 60, served three terms as senator from New Jersey, from 1979 to 1996. He was a Rhodes Scholar and an All-American basketball player at Princeton and later a star with the New York Knicks.

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« Reply #97 on: January 05, 2004, 02:16:59 PM »

Hmpf! Just you wait, just you wait...sooner or later you're bound to lose! Smiley

Not to Republicans! Smiley

Yes, but still...it's depressing... Sad

Bradley was the left candidate int he last primary vs Gore.


Hm, picking up endorsements from losers all over the place, are we? Why do so many people support Dean, aren't they the least bit worried about electability???

Bill Bradley Expected to Endorse Dean

DES MOINES, Iowa - Former U.S. Sen. Bill Bradley (news - web sites), who lost the Democratic nomination for president to Al Gore (news - web sites) in 2000, is expected to endorse front-runner Howard Dean (news - web sites), party officials said Monday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Dean and Bradley planned to announce the endorsement this week.

Dean has changed his campaign schedule to appear Tuesday in New Hampshire for a surprise announcement, state campaign director Karen Hicks said Monday. Campaigning in Iowa, Dean said he could neither confirm nor deny the report.


Bradley gave Gore a scare early in the 2000 primary process but eventually lost both the Iowa caucuses and the follow-up New Hampshire primary to the sitting vice president.


Bradley was a favorite of higher-educated, higher-income Democrats, according to party polls, a constituency that has leaned toward Dean in this year's contest.


The endorsement is further evidence of Dean's transformation from a political asterisk 12 months ago to the party's leading candidate. Dean secured Gore's endorsement last month and already leads in fund raising and in most state and national polls.


Bradley, 60, served three terms as senator from New Jersey, from 1979 to 1996. He was a Rhodes Scholar and an All-American basketball player at Princeton and later a star with the New York Knicks.

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« Reply #98 on: January 05, 2004, 03:47:24 PM »

Bradley was a strange bird.  He refused to wear makeup, I heard.  The reflection on his forehead from the lights at the debates made him look like a human lighthouse.  I liked him, but he was another boring Democrat.
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« Reply #99 on: January 05, 2004, 03:51:30 PM »

Still think Bradley was only in dem proimary so Gore would get some attention and not be overshadowed at all.  He was dull, hardly campaigned and just gave Gore someone to speak against instead of be ignored.


Bradley was a strange bird.  He refused to wear makeup, I heard.  The reflection on his forehead from the lights at the debates made him look like a human lighthouse.  I liked him, but he was another boring Democrat.
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