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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2016, 07:19:19 PM »

Bernie is slaying.
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2016, 07:25:20 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2016, 07:27:01 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.

He's always specified that it's not simply free college in general for all, but specifically free tuition for public schools. The questions posed are always phrased as free college for all, and he has to correct it every time.
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2016, 07:47:40 PM »

Take down Trump, Bernie.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2016, 07:51:39 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.

He's always specified that it's not simply free college in general for all, but specifically free tuition for public schools. The questions posed are always phrased as free college for all, and he has to correct it every time.

Ignoring how hard it will actually be. But who cares? Aspiration!
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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2016, 07:53:44 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.

He's always specified that it's not simply free college in general for all, but specifically free tuition for public schools. The questions posed are always phrased as free college for all, and he has to correct it every time.

Ignoring how hard it will actually be. But who cares? Aspiration!

Hey, it's easy to promise everything to everyone when you haven't actually ever governed.
Just ask Tsipras.
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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2016, 07:54:23 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.

He's always specified that it's not simply free college in general for all, but specifically free tuition for public schools. The questions posed are always phrased as free college for all, and he has to correct it every time.

Ignoring how hard it will actually be. But who cares? Aspiration!

I was just making a correction. Yes it will be hard, but we should know what we're talking about here.
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2016, 07:57:10 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.

He's always specified that it's not simply free college in general for all, but specifically free tuition for public schools. The questions posed are always phrased as free college for all, and he has to correct it every time.

Ignoring how hard it will actually be. But who cares? Aspiration!

I was just making a correction. Yes it will be hard, but we should know what we're talking about here.

Sorry - not having a crack at you, just irritated at how the issue is being spun.
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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2016, 07:58:28 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.

He's always specified that it's not simply free college in general for all, but specifically free tuition for public schools. The questions posed are always phrased as free college for all, and he has to correct it every time.

The framing was different before. As I recall, he was promising free college for all and saying that it would be a cost savings, similar to single payer health care.
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2016, 08:00:36 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.

He's always specified that it's not simply free college in general for all, but specifically free tuition for public schools. The questions posed are always phrased as free college for all, and he has to correct it every time.

The framing was different before. As I recall, he was promising free college for all and saying that it would be a cost savings, similar to single payer health care.

If you can find an example of that my apologies, but I don't believe that is true.
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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2016, 08:01:00 PM »

Logistically, it's not going to be any harder for Sanders to get many of his policy goals passed than it will be for Clinton, unless her policy goals are scaling back Social Security/Medicare and handing out corporate tax breaks, of course...and even then, they'll probably just obstruct because it's reflexive for them at this point.

Why is nobody calling Clinton's ideas pie in the sky? Do people think the Congress is just going to get along with her splendidly and say "anything you want, ma'am"? Right: we don't want to admit that electing a President at this point is an act of futility for the most part.
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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2016, 08:02:19 PM »

Logistically, it's not going to be any harder for Sanders to get many of his policy goals passed than it will be for Clinton, unless her policy goals are scaling back Social Security/Medicare and handing out corporate tax breaks, of course...and even then, they'll probably just obstruct because it's reflexive for them at this point.

Why is nobody calling Clinton's ideas pie in the sky? Do people think the Congress is just going to get along with her splendidly and say "anything you want, ma'am"?

I think people are saying Sanders's policies wouldn't work even if they were passed into law.
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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2016, 08:08:19 PM »

Logistically, it's not going to be any harder for Sanders to get many of his policy goals passed than it will be for Clinton, unless her policy goals are scaling back Social Security/Medicare and handing out corporate tax breaks, of course...and even then, they'll probably just obstruct because it's reflexive for them at this point.

Why is nobody calling Clinton's ideas pie in the sky? Do people think the Congress is just going to get along with her splendidly and say "anything you want, ma'am"?

I think people are saying Sanders's policies wouldn't work even if they were passed into law.

And require a hell of lot more cooperation than just Congress.
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2016, 08:11:13 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.

He's always specified that it's not simply free college in general for all, but specifically free tuition for public schools. The questions posed are always phrased as free college for all, and he has to correct it every time.

The framing was different before. As I recall, he was promising free college for all and saying that it would be a cost savings, similar to single payer health care.

If you can find an example of that my apologies, but I don't believe that is true.

He introduced a bill called the Free College for All Act. In addition, his framing in earlier debates was not the same as it was tonight.
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2016, 08:12:40 PM »

Logistically, it's not going to be any harder for Sanders to get many of his policy goals passed than it will be for Clinton, unless her policy goals are scaling back Social Security/Medicare and handing out corporate tax breaks, of course...and even then, they'll probably just obstruct because it's reflexive for them at this point.

Why is nobody calling Clinton's ideas pie in the sky? Do people think the Congress is just going to get along with her splendidly and say "anything you want, ma'am"?

I think people are saying Sanders's policies wouldn't work even if they were passed into law.

And require a hell of lot more cooperation than just Congress.

I don't think we should pretend that most of the complaints about this are that nuanced. Besides, a lot of what Clinton is purportedly proposing is 80% of the way there compared to Sanders with respect to cost, complexity and logistical hurdles.
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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2016, 08:17:24 PM »

Excuse me, did this guy really said that his favorite Republican is Jim Inhoffe???
And we are still talking about Hillary's eulogy of Nancy Reagan?
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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2016, 08:19:17 PM »

Excuse me, did this guy really said that his favorite Republican is Jim Inhoffe???
And we are still talking about Hillary's eulogy of Nancy Reagan?

He was talking about how they get along personally, rather than his politics. Still, that's weird.
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« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2016, 08:19:38 PM »

Excuse me, did this guy really said that his favorite Republican is Jim Inhoffe???
And we are still talking about Hillary's eulogy of Nancy Reagan?
His snowball speech was quite entertaining.
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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2016, 08:20:12 PM »

Excuse me, did this guy really said that his favorite Republican is Jim Inhoffe???
And we are still talking about Hillary's eulogy of Nancy Reagan?

He was talking about how they get along personally, rather than his politics. Still, that's weird.

Well, nice to know that Sanders gets along so much with a bigoted climate change denier.
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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2016, 08:20:53 PM »

Excuse me, did this guy really said that his favorite Republican is Jim Inhoffe???
And we are still talking about Hillary's eulogy of Nancy Reagan?

He's fairly close with Inhofe. They're friends of sorts. That's hardly an endorsement of policy and certainly not a statement that Inhofe has been wonderful on climate change or any important issue. There's a massive difference.
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« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2016, 08:21:52 PM »

Disgusting Hillary speaks in favor of the death penalty.
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« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2016, 08:26:02 PM »

Sanders isn't friends with anyone liberal in the Senate? I know that ideology doesn't automatically make people friends, but it seems like he would have at least one friend that was more like minded.
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« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2016, 08:30:36 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.

He's always specified that it's not simply free college in general for all, but specifically free tuition for public schools. The questions posed are always phrased as free college for all, and he has to correct it every time.

The framing was different before. As I recall, he was promising free college for all and saying that it would be a cost savings, similar to single payer health care.

If you can find an example of that my apologies, but I don't believe that is true.

He introduced a bill called the Free College for All Act. In addition, his framing in earlier debates was not the same as it was tonight.

The very first line in the summary description of that bill is: "Eliminate Undergraduate Tuition at 4-year Public Colleges and Universities". Again, just find one clip or quote suggesting otherwise.
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« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2016, 08:32:13 PM »

Logistically, it's not going to be any harder for Sanders to get many of his policy goals passed than it will be for Clinton, unless her policy goals are scaling back Social Security/Medicare and handing out corporate tax breaks, of course...and even then, they'll probably just obstruct because it's reflexive for them at this point.

Why is nobody calling Clinton's ideas pie in the sky? Do people think the Congress is just going to get along with her splendidly and say "anything you want, ma'am"?

I think people are saying Sanders's policies wouldn't work even if they were passed into law.

And require a hell of lot more cooperation than just Congress.

I don't think we should pretend that most of the complaints about this are that nuanced. Besides, a lot of what Clinton is purportedly proposing is 80% of the way there compared to Sanders with respect to cost, complexity and logistical hurdles.

I'm only talking about my own views - not bothering to defend anyone else's
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« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2016, 08:34:44 PM »

Wasn't Sanders saying free college for all? He seems to have changed what he was saying before.

He's always specified that it's not simply free college in general for all, but specifically free tuition for public schools. The questions posed are always phrased as free college for all, and he has to correct it every time.

The framing was different before. As I recall, he was promising free college for all and saying that it would be a cost savings, similar to single payer health care.

If you can find an example of that my apologies, but I don't believe that is true.

He introduced a bill called the Free College for All Act. In addition, his framing in earlier debates was not the same as it was tonight.

The very first line in the summary description of that bill is: "Eliminate Undergraduate Tuition at 4-year Public Colleges and Universities". Again, just find one clip or quote suggesting otherwise.

The title of the bill speaks for itself. Watch any previous debate or forum it is clear that he has changed his framing. He repeats himself all the time, so it's not hard to find.
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