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« on: March 13, 2016, 06:31:10 PM »

I do believe that if he is nominated the GOP will be dissolved after a landslide defeat by the Democrats. Discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2016, 06:36:57 PM »

DId the Republicans dissolve in the 30's and 40's? Did the Democrats fade with the Reagan Revolution in the 80's? Nope, politics is an ebb and flow and maybe the party will come to its senses after Trump loses to Clinton.
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2016, 06:48:34 PM »

I definitely think it will be an end to the modern moderate republicans

How?
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2016, 06:52:24 PM »

I do believe that if he is nominated the GOP will be dissolved after a landslide defeat by the Democrats. Discuss.

The GOP wont dissolve, but it will be left in disarray.
It's just that the GOP has become a big circus act recently.
First wacky tea baggers and now kooky trump supporters.
I hate to ask .... what could possibly be next from the GOP ?
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2016, 06:54:28 PM »

I do believe that if he is nominated the GOP will be dissolved after a landslide defeat by the Democrats. Discuss.

That is a very very stupid thing to believe. In fact, a Donald nomination and defeat ensures the GOP goes back to normal in 2020. A Donald victory, now that would be pretty weird, that might lead to some people disassociating from the Republican Party. The party still wouldn't dissolve though. Again, a very stupid thing to believe. You should feel ashamed and foolish if you do.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2016, 07:01:29 PM »

we don't know. The Republican Party will probably exist, even in the worst case scenarios (namely if Trump doesn't get the nomination and tries to start his own party to supplant the GOP). It's very hard to kill a party in the American system, for a myriad of reasons. To what extent Trump will be a guding influence on the future of the party is a mystery.
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2016, 07:05:50 PM »

as has been mentioned a million times, trump is the natural conclusion of the republican party's recent trajectory into… whatever trump is. it's much more likely that the republican party establishment grudgingly comes to peace with what they've created or gradually shifts to include more trump-types.
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2016, 07:07:35 PM »

No. The GOP survived Goldwater. The Democrats survived McGovern and Mondale. Anyone who thinks the two parties are going away are deluded.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2016, 07:07:49 PM »

Will 1964 be the end of the modern Republican party?

Will 1972 be the end of the modern Democratic party?

...oh wait, we already know the answer, but kudos for trying kiddo Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2016, 07:08:23 PM »

No.  But protectionism is back.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2016, 07:10:49 PM »

FTR, Scarborough has mentioned many times that Jon Meacham has predicted in private that Bush might be the last Republican president.
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2016, 07:12:32 PM »

No. But there will be a realignment.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2016, 07:13:16 PM »

No.

The party would eventually adapt and recover.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2016, 07:13:47 PM »

The Republicans might have to shift somewhat leftward like the Democrats had to make a sharp rightward turn during the Reagan/Bush era.
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2016, 07:17:19 PM »

No. The GOP survived Goldwater. The Democrats survived McGovern and Mondale. Anyone who thinks the two parties are going away are deluded.
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2016, 07:17:29 PM »

NO. People will say the same about the Democrats after the 2018 election...
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2016, 07:32:27 PM »

It will be thrown in chaos.

But there will still be many safe-R seats in Congress and state governments.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2016, 07:44:21 PM »

It will be thrown in chaos.

But there will still be many safe-R seats in Congress and state governments.

Not unlike the Democrats after the McGovern debacle.  The Democrats racked up 242 seats in the House in 1972, and actually gained 2 seats in the Senate in 1972.

There were HUGE differences back then, however:

1.  The seniority system was fully intact in Congress, with conservative Democrats from safe seats and voting records that frequently deviated from the national party line holding committee chairmanships.

2.  The diminished partisan environment and the rise of ticket-splitting, which has been eroded since the 1990s.

3.  The less "nationalized" nature of many races.  Even Congressional races were often decided on purely local factors.

 
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2016, 08:09:55 PM »

No. The GOP survived Goldwater. The Democrats survived McGovern and Mondale. Anyone who thinks the two parties are going away are deluded.
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2016, 08:59:27 PM »

If the GOP establishment try to hand pick a nominee, then the far right will splinter off into another party.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2016, 10:00:20 PM »

No but its image will be vastly different.
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2016, 10:01:34 PM »

If the GOP establishment try to hand pick a nominee, then the far right will splinter off into another party.

I honestly hope that happens, the far right splinters off and by virtue of that happening, the party moves in a more centrist direction and becomes more appealing broadly
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2016, 10:47:14 PM »

If the GOP establishment try to hand pick a nominee, then the far right will splinter off into another party.

I honestly hope that happens, the far right splinters off and by virtue of that happening, the party moves in a more centrist direction and becomes more appealing broadly

Well first off, the idea that Trump is the right wing of the party and the party will move leftward to get AWAY from him is backwards but whatever, I'll go along with you for the sake of argument.

If the nomination goes to anyone other than Trump, that person, for the sake of the GOP establishment, better sure as hell win. If they deny Trump the nomination, give it to Cruz or Kasich, and Cruz or Kasich loses. Trump has been proven right and either he or a surrogate will be back to take the nomination in 2020.
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2016, 11:39:02 PM »

Yes, all those post-Goldwater Republicans are just posers, duh
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