Is Hillary over if Sanders wins North Carolina?

[psychprofessor]

Eh, I'd be impressed if Sanders can even break 40%.  There's no chance of an upset here.

I think the race is somewhere between an 18-22 point Clinton win and she nets approximately 20 delegates here.

[RightBehind]

Well.....George McGovern and Walter Mondale were getting big crowds near the end of their respective presidential runs as well.....so....

Not at all comparable to Bernie today.

It would've been tough to unseat Nixon and Reagan in those years. 2016 does not have an incumbent nor are the two frontrunners on the GOP awfully viable in the general.

Bernie's message is something we haven't seen in a national election in a long time. Here's a rare breed who simply does not come around often.

[Vern]

I except Hillary to win but within single digits

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I except Hillary to win but within single digits

I'd be damn happy with a single point loss in a state where its 4 neighbors were between 29 and 47 point losses.

[Beet]

If Bernie pulls this out, Hillary will have done wonders for the left. First she got a black guy the nomination and elected, and then she got a democratic socialist the nomination. Who could have thought it possible in 2005? Leftists will owe a deep, deep debt of gratitude to Hillary.

[RightBehind]

If Bernie pulls this out, Hillary will have done wonders for the left. First she got a black guy the nomination and elected, and then she got a democratic socialist the nomination. Who could have thought it possible in 2005? Leftists will owe a deep, deep debt of gratitude to Hillary.

I have little doubt Bernie would lose in the general.

Obama has been a good president. Bernie has the potential to be America's greatest president. While I guess you technically say that about anyone, it's all about moving the country forward and ending our enslavement to the corporatocracy.

[Ebsy]

This reminds me of all the chatter about South Carolina ending up in single digits during Bernie's apparently limitless rise in the polls.

[Beet]

Sure, end the enslavement to corporatocracy. But in the meantime, let's nominate Hillary, the best all-around candidate on all issues. The biggest anti-corporate move we can possibly make is win the next GE and appoint Scalia's replacement. The uniformly pro-corporate record of justices Alito and Roberts (including campaign finance cases) is grotesque and flies completely under the radar.

[Lincoln Republican]

Hillary is most certainly not over if Bernie wins NC, which he will not win.

Bernie will put up a good fight in the primaries, but he will in no way wrest the nomination over Hillary.

[RightBehind]

Hillary is most certainly not over if Bernie wins NC, which he will not win.

Bernie will put up a good fight in the primaries, but he will in no way wrest the nomination over Hillary.

Let's see if you're right in July. The tide is turning.

[RJEvans]

Not sure it will be over, but Bernie going 4-1 for the night will dramatically change the dynamics of the race and hurt the party in the long run. Bernie is not winning these big states by enough of a margin to win the nomination outright and the small states will not put him over the top. I can see a situation where Bernie sweeps the latter half of the primary contests but still lose the nomination. That's a disaster for the party.

[IceSpear]

This reminds me of all the chatter about South Carolina ending up in single digits during Bernie's apparently limitless rise in the polls.

Don't forget his potential upset wins in Virginia and Texas. lol

[RightBehind]

Sure, end the enslavement to corporatocracy. But in the meantime, let's nominate Hillary, the best all-around candidate on all issues. The biggest anti-corporate move we can possibly make is win the next GE and appoint Scalia's replacement. The uniformly pro-corporate record of justices Alito and Roberts (including campaign finance cases) is grotesque and flies completely under the radar.

Except Hillary does not represent us. Sure, she might appoint a liberal justice. What Democrat wouldn't? I want my president to lead by example. Bernie does this by making waves through small donations and accumulating far less money than Hillary does. Hillary is playing politics. Bernie is playing solitaire and an incredible game at that.

[Beet]

Sure, end the enslavement to corporatocracy. But in the meantime, let's nominate Hillary, the best all-around candidate on all issues. The biggest anti-corporate move we can possibly make is win the next GE and appoint Scalia's replacement. The uniformly pro-corporate record of justices Alito and Roberts (including campaign finance cases) is grotesque and flies completely under the radar.

Except Hillary does not represent us.

Speak for yourself! She represents me. Bernie does not represent me.

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Sure, but the next president won't necessarily be a Democrat.

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Actually, he has more money than her. And she also accepts small donations and has gotten plenty of them.

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Bernie is a politician playing politics. Solitaire is for people who were bored at work before the days of the Internet.

[Lyin' Steve]

If Sanders wins NC then presumably he also won the other four states.  That would probably pull him ahead of Hillary in terms of future expectations, and the media would start speculating on whether supers would jump ship for Bernie since it's clear Hillary's a total flop.

But Hillary isn't going to lose Florida or NC, it's pretty inconceivable.  She'll lose Missouri though and might lose Illinois and Ohio.

[RightBehind]

Sure, end the enslavement to corporatocracy. But in the meantime, let's nominate Hillary, the best all-around candidate on all issues. The biggest anti-corporate move we can possibly make is win the next GE and appoint Scalia's replacement. The uniformly pro-corporate record of justices Alito and Roberts (including campaign finance cases) is grotesque and flies completely under the radar.

Except Hillary does not represent us.

Speak for yourself! She represents me. Bernie does not represent me.

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Sure, but the next president won't necessarily be a Democrat.

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Actually, he has more money than her. And she also accepts small donations and has gotten plenty of them.

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Bernie is a politician playing politics. Solitaire is for people who were bored at work before the days of the Internet.

What does Hillary represent you on?

If you want to beat Trump, nominate Bernie. If you want a greater possibility of Trump in the White House, nominate Hillary.


Bernie greatly outnumbers Hillary in small donations. Hillary greatly outnumbers Bernie in large ones. Not saying small donations don't exist for the latter, but Bernie is fighting the very system he wishes to end.

Bernie is an elected official, but I would argue he's the least like your typical politician in this race. Hillary comes across as the pandering politician with less principles. Trump may not have experience holding elected office, but his words are that of your regular politician.

[The Other Castro]

I would honestly not be surprised if North Carolina is a single digit race tomorrow. I know this isn't great data, but the google trends numbers aren't too far off from how Michigan looked. There's no chance Sanders wins there though.

[RightBehind]

I would honestly not be surprised if North Carolina is a single digit race tomorrow. I know this isn't great data, but the google trends numbers aren't too far off from how Michigan looked. There's no chance Sanders wins there though.

I'll remember this post if he wins.

Nobody is denying the odds are against him, but the odds are something he has greatly defied.

[Beet]

Sure, end the enslavement to corporatocracy. But in the meantime, let's nominate Hillary, the best all-around candidate on all issues. The biggest anti-corporate move we can possibly make is win the next GE and appoint Scalia's replacement. The uniformly pro-corporate record of justices Alito and Roberts (including campaign finance cases) is grotesque and flies completely under the radar.

Except Hillary does not represent us.

Speak for yourself! She represents me. Bernie does not represent me.

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Sure, but the next president won't necessarily be a Democrat.

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Actually, he has more money than her. And she also accepts small donations and has gotten plenty of them.

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Bernie is a politician playing politics. Solitaire is for people who were bored at work before the days of the Internet.

What does Hillary represent you on?

Everything, except marijuana legalization. I'm a bit more liberal than her on that one.

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Trump is collapsing. Even Republicans are scared of him. If Hillary loses Ohio tomorrow, a significant factor will be because Democratic-leaning independents crossed over to vote for Kasich in droves.

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Obama outnumbered Hillary in small donations in '08, and he won. Yet here we are, still "fighting the very system." Campaign finance is a systemic issue. But it doesn't really work in presidential elections anyway. If money could buy elections, Jeb Bush would be cruising to 1,200 delegates now.

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Bernie is a very typical politician. Served in the House, served in the Senate, voted on a partisan basis. And he's been pandering hard on trade since ST.

[RJEvans]

Sure, end the enslavement to corporatocracy. But in the meantime, let's nominate Hillary, the best all-around candidate on all issues. The biggest anti-corporate move we can possibly make is win the next GE and appoint Scalia's replacement. The uniformly pro-corporate record of justices Alito and Roberts (including campaign finance cases) is grotesque and flies completely under the radar.

Except Hillary does not represent us.

Speak for yourself! She represents me. Bernie does not represent me.

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Sure, but the next president won't necessarily be a Democrat.

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Actually, he has more money than her. And she also accepts small donations and has gotten plenty of them.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Bernie is a politician playing politics. Solitaire is for people who were bored at work before the days of the Internet.

What does Hillary represent you on?

If you want to beat Trump, nominate Bernie. If you want a greater possibility of Trump in the White House, nominate Hillary.


Bernie greatly outnumbers Hillary in small donations. Hillary greatly outnumbers Bernie in large ones. Not saying small donations don't exist for the latter, but Bernie is fighting the very system he wishes to end.

Bernie is an elected official, but I would argue he's the least like your typical politician in this race. Hillary comes across as the pandering politician with less principles. Trump may not have experience holding elected office, but his words are that of your regular politician.

I know people love Bernie, but he is just as much a politician as Hillary Clinton is. Exhibit A: Clinton makes gaffe on HIV/AIDS > Bernie attacks Clinton on said gaffe > Bernie rolls out his plan for HIV/AIDS. It's politics at it's finest. Attack opponent and follow by pandering on the issue and rolling out a quickly put together plan for the issue. Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking Bernie. He's a politician, it's what they do, but don't hold him up on some pedestal like he is untouchable. He's not. Bernie may want to change Washington but he is very much part of Washington. Sure, he'll try to change certain things to satisfy the base, but the biggest change will be Bernie himself. Bernie won't change Washington, Washington will change Bernie.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

NC is going to be a 56-44 win for Clinton

This would be satisfying given how sexist the rest of the south has been this cycle. Hope it actually happens.

[JerryArkansas]

NC is going to be a 56-44 win for Clinton

This would be satisfying given how sexist the rest of the south has been this cycle. Hope it actually happens.

Do you just say sh**t to troll, or do you really believe it.  Cause you need to f**k off if it is real.

[RightBehind]

Sure, end the enslavement to corporatocracy. But in the meantime, let's nominate Hillary, the best all-around candidate on all issues. The biggest anti-corporate move we can possibly make is win the next GE and appoint Scalia's replacement. The uniformly pro-corporate record of justices Alito and Roberts (including campaign finance cases) is grotesque and flies completely under the radar.

Except Hillary does not represent us.

Speak for yourself! She represents me. Bernie does not represent me.

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Sure, but the next president won't necessarily be a Democrat.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Actually, he has more money than her. And she also accepts small donations and has gotten plenty of them.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Bernie is a politician playing politics. Solitaire is for people who were bored at work before the days of the Internet.

What does Hillary represent you on?

If you want to beat Trump, nominate Bernie. If you want a greater possibility of Trump in the White House, nominate Hillary.


Bernie greatly outnumbers Hillary in small donations. Hillary greatly outnumbers Bernie in large ones. Not saying small donations don't exist for the latter, but Bernie is fighting the very system he wishes to end.

Bernie is an elected official, but I would argue he's the least like your typical politician in this race. Hillary comes across as the pandering politician with less principles. Trump may not have experience holding elected office, but his words are that of your regular politician.

I know people love Bernie, but he is just as much a politician as Hillary Clinton is. Exhibit A: Clinton makes gaffe on HIV/AIDS > Bernie attacks Clinton on said gaffe > Bernie rolls out his plan for HIV/AIDS. It's politics at it's finest. Attack opponent and follow by pandering on the issue and rolling out a quickly put together plan for the issue. Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking Bernie. He's a politician, it's what they do, but don't hold him up on some pedestal like he is untouchable. He's not. Bernie may want to change Washington but he is very much part of Washington. Sure, he'll try to change certain things to satisfy the base, but the biggest change will be Bernie himself. Bernie won't change Washington, Washington will change Bernie.

When you're in Congress for 25 years, and you're still principled on most of your positions, it says a lot.

No one is perfect. That includes Bernie, but he's never run a negative ad against another opponent. He may have been critical of her, but has shown tons of class. There's a lot of ammunition against Hillary. He could've really pulled out the big stuff if he was less dignified. Bernie speaks his mind and has guts just like Trump does. The difference though is that Bernie is a compassionate person who cares for the citizens. Trump is a bully of massive proportions.

It's a true testament to Bernie to serve in office for so long and to be a voice for we the people, not we the corporation.

[Yank2133]

If Bernie pulls this out, Hillary will have done wonders for the left. First she got a black guy the nomination and elected, and then she got a democratic socialist the nomination. Who could have thought it possible in 2005? Leftists will owe a deep, deep debt of gratitude to Hillary.

I have little doubt Bernie would lose in the general.

Obama has been a good president. Bernie has the potential to be America's greatest president. While I guess you technically say that about anyone, it's all about moving the country forward and ending our enslavement to the corporatocracy.

Ha!

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

NC is going to be a 56-44 win for Clinton

This would be satisfying given how sexist the rest of the south has been this cycle. Hope it actually happens.

Do you just say sh**t to troll, or do you really believe it.  Cause you need to f**k off if it is real.

Mostly the former. And I don't care about my favorability ratings on the site.