Is Hillary over if Sanders wins North Carolina?

[Mehmentum]

This reminds me of all the chatter about South Carolina ending up in single digits during Bernie's apparently limitless rise in the polls.

I'm more reminded of how people were right before Nevada.  'He has momentum from his big win!', 'He had a great debate performance!', 'The polls have him tied!'.

[Beet]

Goodness gracious, Trump doesn't speak his mind, he just acts like he does.

[RightBehind]

If Bernie pulls this out, Hillary will have done wonders for the left. First she got a black guy the nomination and elected, and then she got a democratic socialist the nomination. Who could have thought it possible in 2005? Leftists will owe a deep, deep debt of gratitude to Hillary.

I have little doubt Bernie would lose in the general.

Obama has been a good president. Bernie has the potential to be America's greatest president. While I guess you technically say that about anyone, it's all about moving the country forward and ending our enslavement to the corporatocracy.

Ha!

Laugh all you want. I know I'm right. Here's a man with an opportunity to bring real change and incredible judgment to the White House.


Then if/when he doesn't get elected, constituents will cry how the status quo is always the same in the Oval Office.

[Yank2133]

If Bernie pulls this out, Hillary will have done wonders for the left. First she got a black guy the nomination and elected, and then she got a democratic socialist the nomination. Who could have thought it possible in 2005? Leftists will owe a deep, deep debt of gratitude to Hillary.

I have little doubt Bernie would lose in the general.

Obama has been a good president. Bernie has the potential to be America's greatest president. While I guess you technically say that about anyone, it's all about moving the country forward and ending our enslavement to the corporatocracy.

Ha!

Laugh all you want. I know I'm right. Here's a man with an opportunity to bring real change and incredible judgment to the White House.


Then if/when he doesn't get elected, constituents will cry how the status quo is always the same in the Oval Office.

You can't bring "change" if your party doesn't control both chambers in congress. This little tidbit is something Bernie supporters seem to forgotten.

Bernie would be the least effective Democratic president since Jimmy Carter.

[RightBehind]

Goodness gracious, Trump doesn't speak his mind, he just acts like he does.

He doesn't hold back, and this is nothing new. I would vote for George W. Bush before I'd vote for Trump in his current form, but he does say what is on his mind.

As a kid and adolescent, Bush represented all that was wrong with Anerica. I'd be elated for him to have a third term if it was the only way to prevent Trump from having a first term.

As it stands now, my opinion is George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan were the two worst presidents in American history and Trump would exceed the combined destruction those two caused.

[RightBehind]

If Bernie pulls this out, Hillary will have done wonders for the left. First she got a black guy the nomination and elected, and then she got a democratic socialist the nomination. Who could have thought it possible in 2005? Leftists will owe a deep, deep debt of gratitude to Hillary.

I have little doubt Bernie would lose in the general.

Obama has been a good president. Bernie has the potential to be America's greatest president. While I guess you technically say that about anyone, it's all about moving the country forward and ending our enslavement to the corporatocracy.

Ha!

Laugh all you want. I know I'm right. Here's a man with an opportunity to bring real change and incredible judgment to the White House.


Then if/when he doesn't get elected, constituents will cry how the status quo is always the same in the Oval Office.

You can't bring "change" if your party doesn't control both chambers in congress. This little tidbit is something Bernie supporters seem to forgotten.

Bernie would be the least effective Democratic president since Jimmy Carter.

You cannot forget that Democratic presidents do still work and accomplish stuff even if at least one house is controlled by Republicans.

A pundit I am not, but my prediction is the obstruction over the Supreme Court vacancy will cost the GOP the Senate in November.

[Boston Bread]

Even if this happened, no. Sanders would need more than 1 shocking win in a large state to actually become the favourite.

[Yank2133]

If Bernie pulls this out, Hillary will have done wonders for the left. First she got a black guy the nomination and elected, and then she got a democratic socialist the nomination. Who could have thought it possible in 2005? Leftists will owe a deep, deep debt of gratitude to Hillary.

I have little doubt Bernie would lose in the general.

Obama has been a good president. Bernie has the potential to be America's greatest president. While I guess you technically say that about anyone, it's all about moving the country forward and ending our enslavement to the corporatocracy.

Ha!

Laugh all you want. I know I'm right. Here's a man with an opportunity to bring real change and incredible judgment to the White House.


Then if/when he doesn't get elected, constituents will cry how the status quo is always the same in the Oval Office.

You can't bring "change" if your party doesn't control both chambers in congress. This little tidbit is something Bernie supporters seem to forgotten.

Bernie would be the least effective Democratic president since Jimmy Carter.

You cannot forget that Democratic presidents do still work and accomplish stuff even if at least one house is controlled by Republicans.

A pundit I am not, but my prediction is the obstruction over the Supreme Court vacancy will cost the GOP the Senate in November.

What in Bernie's legislative agenda do you actually see getting through congress? Obama had control of both chambers for two years and still had a difficult time getting his agenda through congress(hell, a lot of what he originally wanted got water-downed).

On top of that Obama was a main-stream Democrat and had a better relationship with the party leadership, Sanders doesn't have that.

[Averroës Nix]

Jesus, Beet, how is this supposed to happen? I know that North Carolina has some of the worst voter ID laws on the nation, but it would take something on the scale of Jim Crow to disenfranchise enough black voters to hand the state to Sanders.

North Carolina is Sanders' best opportunity to show that he can get through a southern state without hemorrhagic get delegates - the eastern mountains and the state's major cities, especially Raleigh-Durham, are especially friendly territory for him - but this thread's suggestion is firmly in through-the-looking-glass territory.

[Mehmentum]

Jesus, Beet, how is this supposed to happen? I know that North Carolina has some of the worst voter ID laws on the nation, but it would take something on the scale of Jim Crow to disenfranchise enough black voters to hand the state to Sanders.

North Carolina is Sanders' best opportunity to show that he can get through a southern state without hemorrhagic get delegates - the eastern mountains and the state's major cities, especially Raleigh-Durham, are especially friendly territory for him - but this thread's suggestion is firmly in through-the-looking-glass territory.

To be fair, this entire election season feels firmly placed in through the looking glass territory.

[Smash255]

If Bernie somehow pulls off an upset in NC, it will completely change the dynamic of the race, especially since if he does that he is likely putting up solid margins in Ohio & Illinois.  With that being said, the chances of him wining NC are vey slim, however I do see Bernie making it a bit closer than most of the polls are suggesting.   He is going to win Asheville and the Research Triangle by a ton, which should offset Clinton's huge margin's elsewhere in the state.  Clinton is going to get DEMOLISHED in Orange County, but  it isn't going to be enough.

[Santander]

NC is Sanders' best chance to win a Southern state yet. There's no way Clinton can spin her way out of a loss there, especially if he wins MO and either IL or OH. Her campaign would be in full crisis mode but far from over. However, I think Sanders will do well to lose by single-digits and I think a 15 point loss is more likely.

[DrScholl]

Not at all, because Clinton would still maintain the delegate advantage. And considering that Sanders didn't do well in Virginia which has a number of liberals like North Carolina, I don't see an upset on the horizon. North Carolina is no better than any of the southern states for Sanders and has far too many black voters for him to even get close.

[Smash255]

Not at all, because Clinton would still maintain the delegate advantage. And considering that Sanders didn't do well in Virginia which has a number of liberals like North Carolina, I don't see an upset on the horizon. North Carolina is no better than any of the southern states for Sanders and has far too many black voters for him to even get close.

I certainly agree that Clinton will likely win the NC Primary, but liberals in NOVA aren't exactly the same type of liberals you have in the Triangle or Asheville.  Also I think Bernie will do fairly well with black voters in Durham, which isn't just staunchly Democratic, but is flat out liberal white and black.

[Yan]

Bernie would be the least effective Democratic president since Jimmy Carter.

I hate to interrupt this back-and-forth, but this really isn't an issue unique to Sanders. Clinton will be about as effective as half-ply toilet paper after a night of binge drinking if the Republicans keep control of Congress. They'll just switch their thinly-veiled excuse from racism to sexism and keep on obstructing.

[Shadows]

I'm hearing he's getting huge rallies, his supporters made 50,000 calls in one day. What happens to her campaign at that point?

55K in just 1 Phone-banking platform on Monday, we passed 50K on Sunday & over 40K in Saturday - But it is split among all 5 states, so just not NC

Sanders ain't winning NC, I think with a late push he may cross 40%, at best he can get 44-45%.

There is no way I think he is winning!

[DrScholl]

Not at all, because Clinton would still maintain the delegate advantage. And considering that Sanders didn't do well in Virginia which has a number of liberals like North Carolina, I don't see an upset on the horizon. North Carolina is no better than any of the southern states for Sanders and has far too many black voters for him to even get close.

I certainly agree that Clinton will likely win the NC Primary, but liberals in NOVA aren't exactly the same type of liberals you have in the Triangle or Asheville.  Also I think Bernie will do fairly well with black voters in Durham, which isn't just staunchly Democratic, but is flat out liberal white and black.

Perhaps, but so far the patterns we have seen in the south is that Sanders performs better in areas that are far removed from the more liberal and Democratic areas. We'll see what happens.

[Dancing with Myself]

Bernie has done the best job out of anyone advertising here. I seen 2 different ads of his at least 4 times today and heard a radio ad attacking Clinton on the way in today. He also has 1 or 2 more different ones.  Hillary's ran 2 lame ads. On the Rep side Trump's had 2; Cruz has had 1 and a lame PAC ad.

I see Bernie doing better than expected in NC. He will probably will not win but he will win at least some counties and delegates at least . Colleges will probably vote big for him; Appalachian State and UNC could be what helps him. A lot of the younger kids I know voted early; I'm voting tomorrow at about 3 or 4.  On the Republican side Trump will roll but the margin will be up in the air. Cruz second and Kasich 3rd.

County wise Trump will roll in mine but I can see Bernie pulling an upset. The kids are more motivated here than in 08 and I see a lot of older whites voting for him. No one's excited about Hillary like they were in 08 (she destroyed Obama here that year.)


It could be fun and one of those weird take-away nights possibly..

[Beet]

I'm hearing he's getting huge rallies, his supporters made 50,000 calls in one day. What happens to her campaign at that point?

55K in just 1 Phone-banking platform on Monday, we passed 50K on Sunday & over 40K in Saturday - But it is split among all 5 states, so just not NC

Jeez, you guys are crazy. That's at least 145k calls! Do most people do it alone from home, or do you have offices? I try phone banking alone from home some times, but it's just so depressing.

[morgieb]

Yes.

But it isn't gonna happen. Stop concern trolling.

[Eraserhead]

This thread is going to be especially amusing after Sanders loses by 20-something percent in NC tonight. I say this as someone who would love to have egg on my face.

[RightBehind]

If Bernie pulls this out, Hillary will have done wonders for the left. First she got a black guy the nomination and elected, and then she got a democratic socialist the nomination. Who could have thought it possible in 2005? Leftists will owe a deep, deep debt of gratitude to Hillary.

I have little doubt Bernie would lose in the general.

Obama has been a good president. Bernie has the potential to be America's greatest president. While I guess you technically say that about anyone, it's all about moving the country forward and ending our enslavement to the corporatocracy.

Ha!

Laugh all you want. I know I'm right. Here's a man with an opportunity to bring real change and incredible judgment to the White House.


Then if/when he doesn't get elected, constituents will cry how the status quo is always the same in the Oval Office.

You can't bring "change" if your party doesn't control both chambers in congress. This little tidbit is something Bernie supporters seem to forgotten.

Bernie would be the least effective Democratic president since Jimmy Carter.

You cannot forget that Democratic presidents do still work and accomplish stuff even if at least one house is controlled by Republicans.

A pundit I am not, but my prediction is the obstruction over the Supreme Court vacancy will cost the GOP the Senate in November.

What in Bernie's legislative agenda do you actually see getting through congress? Obama had control of both chambers for two years and still had a difficult time getting his agenda through congress(hell, a lot of what he originally wanted got water-downed).

On top of that Obama was a main-stream Democrat and had a better relationship with the party leadership, Sanders doesn't have that.

Obama's big problem was he tried to compromise and give an olive branch to Republicans, who wanted no part.

I don't know which plans of his get through Congress, but he has a good relationship with many. Perhaps they can work something out.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Bernie will lose by at least 20. Don't kid yourselves.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

if he did (which he won't) the race would become a true tossup. so no.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Now you can calm down Beet.