Sexual Orientation Determined by Genes

[afleitch]

Nazism isn't a religion, but I doubt you're intelligent to comprehend such a basic fact when you advocate a $15 minimum wage.

Ebowed, It appears that in every rebuttal you make to someone who disagrees with you you adopt a crass and condescending approach to them. Asking me to 'spare me your religious background' for example. Does that not matter? Or would it only matter if i was of the same denomination as you. The reason is, it means i cant be so easily ring fenced as a religious bigot if i'm also religious myself.

[phk]

We can Finnally use science to prove that religion is wrong.

Mandatory abortions on Muslim women.

[Bono]

We can Finnally use science to prove that religion is wrong.

I ndon't recal the Bible saying sexual orientation was a matter of choice.

[Joe Republic]

Especially for the foreign posters, I can't stress this fact enough: In the United States, homosexuality is a condition/behavior that is truly despised even among self-described liberals.

Am I the only one who not only finds this comment inaccurate, but disturbing as well?

[A18]

Especially for the foreign posters, I can't stress this fact enough: In the United States, homosexuality is a condition/behavior that is truly despised even among self-described liberals.

Am I the only one who not only finds this comment inaccurate, but disturbing as well?

It's true of all the liberals I know.

[Alcon]

Especially for the foreign posters, I can't stress this fact enough: In the United States, homosexuality is a condition/behavior that is truly despised even among self-described liberals.

Am I the only one who not only finds this comment inaccurate, but disturbing as well?

No...I find it perplexing, too. Why would I despise it? Honestly, I don't find it worth giving a damn about, which is exactly why I am so strongly against it. People are way, way too sensitive about this issue. "Oh no, they're gay! Someone might catch it!" Honestly. I don't get the whole "we're doing it for their sake" argument - just let them live with dignity. It's not like homosexuality defines someone. Sheesh.

Personally, I find it weird that homosexuality is disapproved so frequently and so publicly, yet no one seems to have problems with other types of sexual perversion such as violence fetishes. I find that much, much more threatening to "moral decency."

Especially for the foreign posters, I can't stress this fact enough: In the United States, homosexuality is a condition/behavior that is truly despised even among self-described liberals.

Am I the only one who not only finds this comment inaccurate, but disturbing as well?

It's true of all the liberals I know.

With the amount of time you spend here, how many liberals are you able to meet?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It's true of all the liberals I know.

They're not liberals.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Yeah, I don't see that at all.  I don't even think I know ANY liberals that view gay as bad.
Off topic: In Japan, 80% of the population view homosexuals as being a bad citizen.

Yeah, every culture is a bit different. At least almost all of them (I think it's 96%) believe in evolution.

[Alcon]

Yeah, I don't see that at all.  I don't even think I know ANY liberals that view gay as bad.
Off topic: In Japan, 80% of the population view homosexuals as being a bad citizen.

Japan is very interesting to me, sociologically. I think that much of this is attributable to the family honour structure that is so essential in Japan. This structure, at least to me, emphasizes traditional "values" systems and makes cultural shifts toward acceptance of taboo subjects much more gradual. This is, I think at least in part, why the role of females in Japan is generally much more traditional than in the U.S.

[A18]

It's true of all the liberals I know.

They're not liberals.

All I know is that they hate Bush. Not that I talk about politics with them much, but you know, the sort of thing comes up.

This is more people I know from prior years. I spend a lot less time at school now.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It's true of all the liberals I know.

They're not liberals.

All I know is that they hate Bush. Not that I talk about politics with them much, but you know, the sort of thing comes up.

This is more people I know from prior years. I spend a lot less time at school now.

Bush has a 51% disapproval rating. Is 51% of America liberal?

[A18]

One of them is a socialist.

Anyway, I didn't say they were intolerant of homosexuals, just that being gay is something dispised almost universally from what I've seen.

[Alcon]

It's true of all the liberals I know.

They're not liberals.

All I know is that they hate Bush. Not that I talk about politics with them much, but you know, the sort of thing comes up.

This is more people I know from prior years. I spend a lot less time at school now.

This is a pretty solid group, I suppose, and I know exactly what you are talking about. There is a good group of the population (especially teenagers) who are uninterested in the political process but hate Bush because he is an authority figure, while at the same time are fairly intolerant of gays. I call them the "pissed at everything" crowd.

If that describes the people you are talking about.

One of them is a socialist.

Anyway, I didn't say they were intolerant of homosexuals, just that being gay is something dispised almost universally from what I've seen.

Well, you haven't seen much. I think a recent poll on the Atlas showed that 90% of people supported civil unions or more for gays, and only 6% considered it a disease. That doesn't seem like wide hate to me.

[A18]

This board is not really a good indicator of the general population, though. A poll here showed a majority supported repealing the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

[opebo]

Especially for the foreign posters, I can't stress this fact enough: In the United States, homosexuality is a condition/behavior that is truly despised even among self-described liberals.

Wrong.  I think homosexuality is cool, so do all my friends and most of my aquaintances (except for very old people and rednecks).

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Intolerant child abuser.  None of the above is any of your business.

[John Dibble]

Yeah, I don't see that at all.  I don't even think I know ANY liberals that view gay as bad.
Off topic: In Japan, 80% of the population view homosexuals as being a bad citizen.

Japan is very interesting to me, sociologically. I think that much of this is attributable to the family honour structure that is so essential in Japan. This structure, at least to me, emphasizes traditional "values" systems and makes cultural shifts toward acceptance of taboo subjects much more gradual. This is, I think at least in part, why the role of females in Japan is generally much more traditional than in the U.S.

Japan is wierd, sort of. They are very traditional when it comes to family and whatnot, but there's some weird things that would be very taboo in our own culture - for instance, you can read porn on the subway and nobody would look at you funny. Also, some of their porn is...disturbing.

[Cashcow]

Yeah, I don't see that at all.  I don't even think I know ANY liberals that view gay as bad.
Off topic: In Japan, 80% of the population view homosexuals as being a bad citizen.

Japan is very interesting to me, sociologically. I think that much of this is attributable to the family honour structure that is so essential in Japan. This structure, at least to me, emphasizes traditional "values" systems and makes cultural shifts toward acceptance of taboo subjects much more gradual. This is, I think at least in part, why the role of females in Japan is generally much more traditional than in the U.S.

Japan is wierd, sort of. They are very traditional when it comes to family and whatnot, but there's some weird things that would be very taboo in our own culture - for instance, you can read porn on the subway and nobody would look at you funny. Also, some of their porn is...disturbing.

Yeah, it's called hentai.

[John Dibble]

Yeah, I don't see that at all.  I don't even think I know ANY liberals that view gay as bad.
Off topic: In Japan, 80% of the population view homosexuals as being a bad citizen.

Japan is very interesting to me, sociologically. I think that much of this is attributable to the family honour structure that is so essential in Japan. This structure, at least to me, emphasizes traditional "values" systems and makes cultural shifts toward acceptance of taboo subjects much more gradual. This is, I think at least in part, why the role of females in Japan is generally much more traditional than in the U.S.

Japan is wierd, sort of. They are very traditional when it comes to family and whatnot, but there's some weird things that would be very taboo in our own culture - for instance, you can read porn on the subway and nobody would look at you funny. Also, some of their porn is...disturbing.

Yeah, it's called hentai.

I know what it's called, and the genre in itself isn't bad, but there is a really wierd variety involving tentacle monsters.

[opebo]

Yeah, I don't see that at all.  I don't even think I know ANY liberals that view gay as bad.
Off topic: In Japan, 80% of the population view homosexuals as being a bad citizen.

Japan is very interesting to me, sociologically. I think that much of this is attributable to the family honour structure that is so essential in Japan. This structure, at least to me, emphasizes traditional "values" systems and makes cultural shifts toward acceptance of taboo subjects much more gradual. This is, I think at least in part, why the role of females in Japan is generally much more traditional than in the U.S.

Japan is wierd, sort of. They are very traditional when it comes to family and whatnot, but there's some weird things that would be very taboo in our own culture - for instance, you can read porn on the subway and nobody would look at you funny. Also, some of their porn is...disturbing.

Yeah, it's called hentai.

Lots of chicks with dicks in their porn. 

[Rob]

Wrong.  I think homosexuality is cool, so do all my friends and most of my aquaintances (except for very old people and rednecks).

You think pedophilia is "cool" too. That doesn't make it a majority opinion.

[Jake]

Never mention that again.

[opebo]

Wrong.  I think homosexuality is cool, so do all my friends and most of my aquaintances (except for very old people and rednecks).

You think pedophilia is "cool" too. That doesn't make it a majority opinion.

No, that one is decidedly in the minority.  But I think a large majority of those who call themselves 'liberals' would consider homosexuality perfectly acceptable.

Never mention that again.

What, chicks with dicks hentai?

[Ebowed]

Asking me to 'spare me your religious background' for example. Does that not matter? Or would it only matter if i was of the same denomination as you. The reason is, it means i cant be so easily ring fenced as a religious bigot if i'm also religious myself.

First of all, I have no denomination, and second, you can certainly be a religious bigot when you have a religion; in fact, that makes religious bigotry easier.  Christians are more likely to hate Islam and Muslims than agnostics are.

[Storebought]

All I can say about the previous responses is this: some of you woefully, grievously, misapprehend human nature.

Just because homosexuality is celebrated as a political endeavor, or tolerated in a diffuse and abstract sense, does not mean parents will be any likelier to desire that (1) their own children are or can be gay (2) if homosexuality were a genetic trait that can be detected in the womb by amniocentesis, those same parents will not strongly consider abortion as a better (however defined) alternative to rearing a gay child.

For instance, in that group PFlag, the first thing they get parents to do is mourn the death of the child they believed was straight.

And to opebo: Never before have I read such irreducible idiocy as your "intolerant child abuser" remark. I argued that the fetuses found to be gay should be brought to term and not aborted. Also, discouragement of any habit is in no way 'abuse'.

[JohnFKennedy]

Where I'm from, homosexuality is despised.  It's a common end to jokes.  It's a common insult.  Gays are ridiculed.

What a lovely tolerant place you live in.....