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« on: March 15, 2016, 04:44:11 PM »

With nobody apparently wanted to drop out, and inspired by the apparent Rubio-Kasich alliance in Ohio, how about this strategy for the non-Trumpers left: Rather than splitting the vote three ways in every state, two will strategically drop out of individual states where they are seen as not having much of a chance. Kasich and Cruz drop out of highly-educated, moderate, and Hispanic-heavy states, such as California. Rubio and Kasich drop out of states with high evangelical/conservative populations, and Cruz and Rubio drop out of moderate Rust Belt states and Northeastern states. With the WTA states coming up, they're not really losing anything except for some votes to add to their popular vote totals, and by teaming up against Trump, they can try to push for a brokered convention, which will increase all of their chances. Plus, this will allow them each to focus on their regional/demographic home turf, instead of trying to get a candidate like Cruz to win a state like Rhode Island. Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 04:50:29 PM »

It's terrible. Rubio and Kasich need to get out, let Cruz go against Trump and hope he wins a majority of Winner-take-all states left to win the nomination outright (very difficult task). Then, after a close delegate race, hope that the Rubio/Kasich delegates go more for Cruz than Trump to give him the nomination. That's much better than the unmitigated and chaotic disaster that would be this multi-candidate strategy of denying Trump the majority and then the establishment stealing the nomination.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 04:53:04 PM »

They'll vote for Trump in November because they're all cowards.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 05:31:40 PM »

It's the losing Whig strategy.
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2016, 05:33:05 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2016, 05:34:56 PM »

it is kind of ironic that the Republican party, not the Trump supporters, have united for the #NeverTrump strategy, which was the problem that the Republicans have had in 2008 and 2012 of not being united
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2016, 05:46:36 PM »

@Crumpets - Check this out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/15/anti-donald-trump-attacks-top-35-million-in-advance-of-tuesday-primaries/

Basically, over the past several months, various conservative groups have spent upwards of 35 million dollars attacking Trump, with little effect on his wildly successful campaign.

So the reason I post this is just to show that their strategy seems to be completely pointless and a massive waste of money. Good thing the party of the rich has plenty of billionaire donors willing to throw away their pocket change on futile causes.
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2016, 06:01:32 PM »

Trump has led to the death of the Republican Party. The GOP will never be the same after this election.
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2016, 06:05:05 PM »

@Crumpets - Check this out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/15/anti-donald-trump-attacks-top-35-million-in-advance-of-tuesday-primaries/

Basically, over the past several months, various conservative groups have spent upwards of 35 million dollars attacking Trump, with little effect on his wildly successful campaign.

So the reason I post this is just to show that their strategy seems to be completely pointless and a massive waste of money. Good thing the party of the rich has plenty of billionaire donors willing to throw away their pocket change on futile causes.

Or maybe we're looking at this wrong. There's also the fact that Trump is still stuck in the 35% range, roughly where he's been since December or so, despite the biggest media circus of all time and the loads of free advertising that it entails.
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2016, 06:07:43 PM »

Trump has led to the death of the Republican Party. The GOP will never be the same after this election.

Friend, embrace the new Republican Party!
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2016, 06:20:49 PM »

How did that ABC campaign in '76 turn out again? Oh yeah, badly for anyone running not named Carter.

So yeah, HS
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2016, 06:22:15 PM »

If the idea is purely to nominate someone other than Trump, they should just get out and endorse Cruz.
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2016, 06:23:19 PM »

@Crumpets - Check this out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/15/anti-donald-trump-attacks-top-35-million-in-advance-of-tuesday-primaries/

Basically, over the past several months, various conservative groups have spent upwards of 35 million dollars attacking Trump, with little effect on his wildly successful campaign.

So the reason I post this is just to show that their strategy seems to be completely pointless and a massive waste of money. Good thing the party of the rich has plenty of billionaire donors willing to throw away their pocket change on futile causes.

Or maybe we're looking at this wrong. There's also the fact that Trump is still stuck in the 35% range, roughly where he's been since December or so, despite the biggest media circus of all time and the loads of free advertising that it entails.

…what? the latest polls have him between 42-53%
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2016, 06:26:17 PM »
« Edited: March 16, 2016, 10:32:19 AM by Meclazine »

If the idea is purely to nominate someone other than Trump, they should just get out and endorse Cruz.

$35M in the hole with nothing to show for it. No alternative candidate as you say.

Can we elect these people to the Congress?

The Jeb Bush fiscal management society.
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2016, 06:29:04 PM »

Wasn't there so figure that less than 5% of spending before South Carolina was on anti-Trump ads-the problem is everyone has been fighting to be the anti-Trump candidate who'll take him down, but none of them realized that Trump had already left the pack behind.

Cruz is best suited to be the NeverTrump, largely because he can win caucus's in states like Idaho and Oklahoma but beyond that he's screwed.
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2016, 06:41:47 PM »

There's also the fact that Trump is still stuck in the 35% range, roughly where he's been since December

Post Chicago-Rally, he is up

OH: Trump 38
FL: Trump 47
MO: Trump 40
NC: Trump 39
IL: Trump 40

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2016, 07:00:09 PM »

Trump could get the nomination for all I care so long as he loses in November.
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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2016, 09:05:04 AM »

There's also the fact that Trump is still stuck in the 35% range, roughly where he's been since December

Post Chicago-Rally, he is up

OH: Trump 38
FL: Trump 47
MO: Trump 40
NC: Trump 39
IL: Trump 40



He still seems to have trouble getting above 40% outside the South, which means that a sizeable bloc of Republicans aren't on board the Trump train. Normally momentum alone would be giving him majorities by now.
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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2016, 09:09:15 AM »
« Edited: March 16, 2016, 09:47:50 AM by Ronnie »

Total failure and embarrassment.  The fact that the same people (Ricketts, etc.) are meeting once again to speak about how to throw more money out the window with their failed, ineffective strategy is just laughable.  SNL should make a skit about what that meeting will look like.
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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2016, 09:39:16 AM »

Useless strategy. It didn't work. TRUMP is well positioned to reach 1237 delegates before the convention.
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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2016, 09:46:23 AM »

Useless strategy. It didn't work. TRUMP is well positioned to reach 1237 delegates before the convention.

Except that he isn't - he's running slightly behind where he needs to be. And that's a gap that will likely grow without deadweight Rubio dragging down the anti-Trump vote totals.
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2016, 09:50:14 AM »

Rubio .... drops out of states with high evangelical/ conservative populations, and ...... Rubio drops out of moderate Rust Belt states and Northeastern states..... Thoughts?

That will work.
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2016, 09:56:21 AM »

The problem with #NeverTrump is finding a replacement name, something other than Trump. Honestly, I think there are as many #NeverCruz people as there are #NeverTrump people, and the closer it gets to the convention, the more #NeverTrump starts looking a bit like #ForeverClinton.
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