Why doesn't Eurovision ever have "melodic indie post-punk scenecore" type music?

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Seriously, if I was a European I'd be kind of pissed because there'd be no way a song I liked could represent my country.

And plus I'm willing to bet that this is better than whatever gets nominated from the Netherlands, this is better than whatever gets nominated from Italy, this is better than whatever gets nominated from Germany and this is better than whatever gets nominated from Austria.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

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Forecast is not in any way, shape, or form, better than Francesca Michielin.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Forecast is not in any way, shape, or form, better than Francesca Michielin.

^This too.

[Mike Thick]

That's some pretty "niche" music. I think, as a previous poster said, they're going for things that a lot of people enjoy.

Then again, maybe I'm just biased because I hate screamed vocals

[they don't love you like i love you]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

[they don't love you like i love you]

That's some pretty "niche" music. I think, as a previous poster said, they're going for things that a lot of people enjoy.

Then again, maybe I'm just biased because I hate screamed vocals

The German song has singing.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Forecast is not in any way, shape, or form, better than Francesca Michielin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXE-aTIIG30

? This? What the f[inks] is this?

[Mike Thick]

That's some pretty "niche" music. I think, as a previous poster said, they're going for things that a lot of people enjoy.

Then again, maybe I'm just biased because I hate screamed vocals

The German song has singing.

Well, to be fair, it has both singing and screamed vocals.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

Are you kidding? There's plenty of hardcore stuff at Eurovision, it's just not the kind of hardcore that would appeal to you specifically. Some countries appear to have the sensibility, which is occasionally borne out, that the people of Europe want loud, soaring quasi-gothica. Other countries give up and send washed-up nutjobs and deliberately trashy and cynical novelty acts, or acts that put one in mind of camp falsetto Dracula or a lesbian love triangle in a girls' fantasy anime from the 1990s. (And both of those are from the same Eurovision!) And then there's the Finnish fantasy metal band that won in 2006 (which you'd hate, obviously, but it's not sappy or poppy by any stretch of the imagination). Most people who watch Eurovision watch it at least partly for the spectacle of stuff like this.

Forecast is not in any way, shape, or form, better than Francesca Michielin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXE-aTIIG30

? This? What the f[inks] is this?

It's 'Nessun grado di separazione'! Now this very much is a sappy pop ballad and not really all that interesting (it's the worst Francesca Michielin song of the half-dozen or so I've heard), but it's technically well-done and Michielin's voice, appearance, and persona are all appealing.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

Are you kidding? There's plenty of hardcore stuff at Eurovision, it's just not the kind of hardcore that would appeal to you specifically. Some countries appear to have the sensibility, which is occasionally borne out, that the people of Europe want loud, soaring quasi-gothica. Other countries give up and send washed-up nutjobs and deliberately trashy and cynical novelty acts, or acts that put one in mind of camp falsetto Dracula or a lesbian love triangle in a girls' fantasy anime from the 1990s. (And both of those are from the same Eurovision!) And then there's the Finnish fantasy metal band that won in 2006 (which you'd hate, obviously, but it's not sappy or poppy by any stretch of the imagination). Most people who watch Eurovision watch it at least partly for the spectacle of stuff like this.

None of that is anywhere near hardcore. A point I have to make quite frequently: hardcore is an actual genre*, it's not just a description of any "hard" music...and in fact for that matter not all hardcore is that "hard" either, the softer end of it includes stuff such as this.

But all that campiness and spectacle might explain it, since one of the underlying ideas behind hardcore music being played live is the focus should be on the AUDIENCE, they are the ones who should be going wild and insane. The band is just playing and jumping around.

*A fairly oddly named one too and classic example of what TV Tropes calls an "Artifact Title", I know of no other genre that is so hostile toward masculinity and macho culture, doesn't consider it uncommon to have people crying on stage, and frequently uses sobbed vocals an actual vocal style and not some fluke.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

Are you kidding? There's plenty of hardcore stuff at Eurovision, it's just not the kind of hardcore that would appeal to you specifically. Some countries appear to have the sensibility, which is occasionally borne out, that the people of Europe want loud, soaring quasi-gothica. Other countries give up and send washed-up nutjobs and deliberately trashy and cynical novelty acts, or acts that put one in mind of camp falsetto Dracula or a lesbian love triangle in a girls' fantasy anime from the 1990s. (And both of those are from the same Eurovision!) And then there's the Finnish fantasy metal band that won in 2006 (which you'd hate, obviously, but it's not sappy or poppy by any stretch of the imagination). Most people who watch Eurovision watch it at least partly for the spectacle of stuff like this.

None of that is anywhere near hardcore. A point I have to make quite frequently: hardcore is an actual genre*, it's not just a description of any "hard" music...and in fact for that matter not all hardcore is that "hard" either, the softer end of it includes stuff such as this.

Okay, well, keep in mind I'm not in the scene and am not hep to all the lingo so I was using 'hardcore' colloquially.

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Do you understand why that wouldn't work (or would require a lot of extra effort to make work) for something that most people watch on television? There's very little more frustrating than watching video footage of a live music event that doesn't focus on the stage.

Also, why the orange avatar? It's genuinely disorienting.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Why Eurovision still exists?

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I don't know about these other people, but I, personally, find BRTD's taste in music very dissonant.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I don't know about these other people, but I, personally, find BRTD's taste in music very dissonant.

'Dissonant' in what sense? Dissonant with the rest of his image?

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No, not really. The music itself seems sort of strange. There's a distinct melody, and then the vocalist just comes on in screaming.

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Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

Are you kidding? There's plenty of hardcore stuff at Eurovision, it's just not the kind of hardcore that would appeal to you specifically. Some countries appear to have the sensibility, which is occasionally borne out, that the people of Europe want loud, soaring quasi-gothica. Other countries give up and send washed-up nutjobs and deliberately trashy and cynical novelty acts, or acts that put one in mind of camp falsetto Dracula or a lesbian love triangle in a girls' fantasy anime from the 1990s. (And both of those are from the same Eurovision!) And then there's the Finnish fantasy metal band that won in 2006 (which you'd hate, obviously, but it's not sappy or poppy by any stretch of the imagination). Most people who watch Eurovision watch it at least partly for the spectacle of stuff like this.

None of that is anywhere near hardcore. A point I have to make quite frequently: hardcore is an actual genre*, it's not just a description of any "hard" music...and in fact for that matter not all hardcore is that "hard" either, the softer end of it includes stuff such as this.

Okay, well, keep in mind I'm not in the scene and am not hep to all the lingo so I was using 'hardcore' colloquially.

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Do you understand why that wouldn't work (or would require a lot of extra effort to make work) for something that most people watch on television? There's very little more frustrating than watching video footage of a live music event that doesn't focus on the stage.

Also, why the orange avatar? It's genuinely disorienting.

Perhaps he's declaring his allegiance to the Unionists?

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And BRTD most Europeans aren't looking for, ahem, quality music in Eurovision. Most use it as an excuse to be kitsch and score points in centuries old feuds.

[morgieb]

And BRTD most Europeans aren't looking for, ahem, quality music in Eurovision. Most use it as an excuse to be kitsch and score points in centuries old feuds.

Annnnddd CrabCake comes out with the point that should've been the first reply.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

Are you kidding? There's plenty of hardcore stuff at Eurovision, it's just not the kind of hardcore that would appeal to you specifically. Some countries appear to have the sensibility, which is occasionally borne out, that the people of Europe want loud, soaring quasi-gothica. Other countries give up and send washed-up nutjobs and deliberately trashy and cynical novelty acts, or acts that put one in mind of camp falsetto Dracula or a lesbian love triangle in a girls' fantasy anime from the 1990s. (And both of those are from the same Eurovision!) And then there's the Finnish fantasy metal band that won in 2006 (which you'd hate, obviously, but it's not sappy or poppy by any stretch of the imagination). Most people who watch Eurovision watch it at least partly for the spectacle of stuff like this.

None of that is anywhere near hardcore. A point I have to make quite frequently: hardcore is an actual genre*, it's not just a description of any "hard" music...and in fact for that matter not all hardcore is that "hard" either, the softer end of it includes stuff such as this.

Okay, well, keep in mind I'm not in the scene and am not hep to all the lingo so I was using 'hardcore' colloquially.

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Do you understand why that wouldn't work (or would require a lot of extra effort to make work) for something that most people watch on television? There's very little more frustrating than watching video footage of a live music event that doesn't focus on the stage.

Also, why the orange avatar? It's genuinely disorienting.

Perhaps he's declaring his allegiance to the Unionists?

Because it's St. Patrick's Day.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

Are you kidding? There's plenty of hardcore stuff at Eurovision, it's just not the kind of hardcore that would appeal to you specifically. Some countries appear to have the sensibility, which is occasionally borne out, that the people of Europe want loud, soaring quasi-gothica. Other countries give up and send washed-up nutjobs and deliberately trashy and cynical novelty acts, or acts that put one in mind of camp falsetto Dracula or a lesbian love triangle in a girls' fantasy anime from the 1990s. (And both of those are from the same Eurovision!) And then there's the Finnish fantasy metal band that won in 2006 (which you'd hate, obviously, but it's not sappy or poppy by any stretch of the imagination). Most people who watch Eurovision watch it at least partly for the spectacle of stuff like this.

None of that is anywhere near hardcore. A point I have to make quite frequently: hardcore is an actual genre*, it's not just a description of any "hard" music...and in fact for that matter not all hardcore is that "hard" either, the softer end of it includes stuff such as this.

Okay, well, keep in mind I'm not in the scene and am not hep to all the lingo so I was using 'hardcore' colloquially.

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Do you understand why that wouldn't work (or would require a lot of extra effort to make work) for something that most people watch on television? There's very little more frustrating than watching video footage of a live music event that doesn't focus on the stage.

Also, why the orange avatar? It's genuinely disorienting.

Perhaps he's declaring his allegiance to the Unionists?

Because it's St. Patrick's Day.

Speaking as somebody with Irish roots that I'm not particularly connected to and who cordially dislikes St. Patrick's Day, that is petty as all hell.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

Are you kidding? There's plenty of hardcore stuff at Eurovision, it's just not the kind of hardcore that would appeal to you specifically. Some countries appear to have the sensibility, which is occasionally borne out, that the people of Europe want loud, soaring quasi-gothica. Other countries give up and send washed-up nutjobs and deliberately trashy and cynical novelty acts, or acts that put one in mind of camp falsetto Dracula or a lesbian love triangle in a girls' fantasy anime from the 1990s. (And both of those are from the same Eurovision!) And then there's the Finnish fantasy metal band that won in 2006 (which you'd hate, obviously, but it's not sappy or poppy by any stretch of the imagination). Most people who watch Eurovision watch it at least partly for the spectacle of stuff like this.

None of that is anywhere near hardcore. A point I have to make quite frequently: hardcore is an actual genre*, it's not just a description of any "hard" music...and in fact for that matter not all hardcore is that "hard" either, the softer end of it includes stuff such as this.

Okay, well, keep in mind I'm not in the scene and am not hep to all the lingo so I was using 'hardcore' colloquially.

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Do you understand why that wouldn't work (or would require a lot of extra effort to make work) for something that most people watch on television? There's very little more frustrating than watching video footage of a live music event that doesn't focus on the stage.

It's actually very doable and there are hardcore videos of such like this, although I suppose it's debatable if the Eurovision audience would react the same way this crowd is.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Also the orange avatar started some years ago because everyone was turning their avatars green on St. Patrick's Day, which I found stupid. (I'm actually genuinely surprised we didn't see an outpouring of R-CAs after Nancy Reagan died, which also would've been stupid.)

Weirdly enough a couple years ago St. Patrick's Day fell on a Sunday, and I saw a lot of people wearing green at church.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Also the orange avatar started some years ago because everyone was turning their avatars green on St. Patrick's Day, which I found stupid. (I'm actually genuinely surprised we didn't see an outpouring of R-CAs after Nancy Reagan died, which also would've been stupid.)

Weirdly enough a couple years ago St. Patrick's Day fell on a Sunday, and I saw a lot of people wearing green at church.

Yeah, that's a little tacky, and is exactly the sort of 'e'erybody is Oirish on St. Paddy's Day!!' bullsh**t that makes me dislike the holiday.

[they don't love you like i love you]

The worst thing is I try to make a point of abstaining from alcohol on St. Patrick's Day (the one day a year I do) but a great show just happened to happen tonight, so I won't be doing that this year.

But no green beer!