Let's dispel with this fiction Trump will do relatively strong amongst blacks

[Seriously?]

Arguments in this thread in favor of Trump doing so well with blacks:

-The blacks love Trump!
-Trump will bring them jobs!
-some guy said Trump would perform so well amongst blacks!

Post trying to debunk my points:

None

Trump will perform with black voters about the same as any other GOP candidate.  No more, no less.

As for criticizing BLM:  Trump is right here.  BLM goes way beyond the legitimate issues of racial profiling and undue police brutality due to racial bias; they actively disrupt public events and assert, essentially, that people have some sort of legal right to resist a lawful arrest.  Trump is on the side of "law and order" here in the sense that he is asserting that the disruption of campaign events by "protesters" is, in actuality, disturbing the peace, and he's right.  

Except what Trump said goes far beyond criticizing their conduct.

Mike Tyson is supporting Trump.
Foxy Brown is supporting Trump.
Ben Carson is supporting Trump.

Like it or not, the Donald has that celeb-u-tard following that would vote for him because he says, "You're Fired!" on TV. Those followers transcend race. Do I expect Trump to win the AA vote? Of course not. Do I think that that subset of voters is going to care much about BLM, the (fake) bs going around about "white separatist" support or whatever other social justice warrior cause you think of?

No. They'd rather keep up with the Kardashians than protest on the street for "social justice."

Trump will do better with minorities than you think. It won't be 92-8 or whatever you normally see in a Presidential election. I don't think Van Jones is wrong. 10-20% is possible.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

He is running as a Republican.

He refused to disavow the KKK.

He is dead in the water with black voters.

[Zache]

Arguments in this thread in favor of Trump doing so well with blacks:

-The blacks love Trump!
-Trump will bring them jobs!
-some guy said Trump would perform so well amongst blacks!

Post trying to debunk my points:

None

Trump will perform with black voters about the same as any other GOP candidate.  No more, no less.

As for criticizing BLM:  Trump is right here.  BLM goes way beyond the legitimate issues of racial profiling and undue police brutality due to racial bias; they actively disrupt public events and assert, essentially, that people have some sort of legal right to resist a lawful arrest.  Trump is on the side of "law and order" here in the sense that he is asserting that the disruption of campaign events by "protesters" is, in actuality, disturbing the peace, and he's right.  

Except what Trump said goes far beyond criticizing their conduct.

Mike Tyson is supporting Trump.
Foxy Brown is supporting Trump.
Ben Carson is supporting Trump.

Like it or not, the Donald has that celeb-u-tard following that would vote for him because he says, "You're Fired!" on TV. Those followers transcend race. Do I expect Trump to win the AA vote? Of course not. Do I think that that subset of voters is going to care much about BLM, the (fake) bs going around about "white separatist" support or whatever other social justice warrior cause you think of?

No. They'd rather keep up with the Kardashians than protest on the street for "social justice."

Trump will do better with minorities than you think. It won't be 92-8 or whatever you normally see in a Presidential election. I don't think Van Jones is wrong. 10-20% is possible.

How much of  this black celeb-u-tard following will Trump keep when the most powerful black celebrity on the planet is traveling all up and down the eastern seaboard to give Trump the verbal finger?

[Seriously?]

He is running as a Republican.

He refused to disavow the KKK.

He is dead in the water with black voters.

He disavowed the KKK a zillion times. I really don't get this leftist narrative here that he somehow didn't.

[Seriously?]

Arguments in this thread in favor of Trump doing so well with blacks:

-The blacks love Trump!
-Trump will bring them jobs!
-some guy said Trump would perform so well amongst blacks!

Post trying to debunk my points:

None

Trump will perform with black voters about the same as any other GOP candidate.  No more, no less.

As for criticizing BLM:  Trump is right here.  BLM goes way beyond the legitimate issues of racial profiling and undue police brutality due to racial bias; they actively disrupt public events and assert, essentially, that people have some sort of legal right to resist a lawful arrest.  Trump is on the side of "law and order" here in the sense that he is asserting that the disruption of campaign events by "protesters" is, in actuality, disturbing the peace, and he's right.  

Except what Trump said goes far beyond criticizing their conduct.

Mike Tyson is supporting Trump.
Foxy Brown is supporting Trump.
Ben Carson is supporting Trump.

Like it or not, the Donald has that celeb-u-tard following that would vote for him because he says, "You're Fired!" on TV. Those followers transcend race. Do I expect Trump to win the AA vote? Of course not. Do I think that that subset of voters is going to care much about BLM, the (fake) bs going around about "white separatist" support or whatever other social justice warrior cause you think of?

No. They'd rather keep up with the Kardashians than protest on the street for "social justice."

Trump will do better with minorities than you think. It won't be 92-8 or whatever you normally see in a Presidential election. I don't think Van Jones is wrong. 10-20% is possible.

How much of  this black celeb-u-tard following will Trump keep when the most powerful black celebrity on the planet is traveling all up and down the eastern seaboard to give Trump the verbal finger?

Oprah came out against Trump?

[EliteLX]

Trump "turning the tide with blacks" is the same Atlas myth as whites are going to provide Donald the election, he's going to take working class states by storm, PA, .etc. Every single shred of evidence shows the exact opposite of all these baseless claims. Millennials will turn out against him in droves unseen in political history. He will degrade Republicans ties with suburban educated whites. He'll grab the lowest Hispanic vote for Republicans in near history. Will shred every last inch of hope with Asians, .etc

Who do you nuts think is going to vote for this guy that equates to a majority of votes cast nationwide, lol!? Nobody likes him but the molten core of older xenophobic Republican voters.

[Virginiá]

He is running as a Republican.

He refused to disavow the KKK.

He is dead in the water with black voters.

He disavowed the KKK a zillion times. I really don't get this leftist narrative here that he somehow didn't.

It doesn't matter. He hesitated and the narrative that he may support the KKK was created. Combine that with the disgusting things happening at his crowds involving white people beating up minorities, shoving them, yelling racial epithets, spitting at them, and you think he's going to do just about average with them? You know African Americans / other minorities care about this stuff, right? They aren't unaware of what is going on here.

In all likelihood, he'll do as good as Romney did. To think he'd do as well as a normal, respectful moderate Republican ignores the dark reality of Trump's campaign.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I have a question.

A lot of people don't seem to believe that Barack Obama is really a Christian.  Obviously many conservatives suspect that he is Muslim, but I have noticed (particularly on this forum) that liberals are quick to speculate that Obama is a secret atheist or agnostic, on the basis that his rationale for converting to Christianity (that it was the most powerful tool for social organizing within the African-American community) is blatantly non-theological, peppered with various choice statements Obama has made where he demonstrates a certain depth to his philosophical thought that is often absent from other politicians' rhetoric.

In contrast, Donald Trump is getting a big helping hand in the primaries on the virtue of his strong support among evangelicals.  (You'll note that among the true moralists, the Mormons, there is still a great degree of skepticism towards Trump.)  When Donald Trump is asked for his favorite Bible verse, everyone comes leaping to his defense because he has a right to keep that to himself.  Very well.

It's obvious to anyone that Donald Trump doesn't take religion particularly seriously, which makes me wonder - if Obama was so clearly not a Christian, when will Donald Trump be subjected to the same widespread suspicion?

Back to the thread topic, if Donald Trump is relying on an increase of African American support to get to the finish line in November, then the Democrats are in very good shape!

Donald Trump has earned lots of suspicion about the sincerity of his faith.  If you can even call it suspicion, when he's so transparent.  Even many who vote for him admit he doesn't share their values on matters of faith and morals.

[ProudModerate2]

Trump "turning the tide with blacks" is the same Atlas myth as whites are going to provide Donald the election, he's going to take working class states by storm, PA, .etc. Every single shred of evidence shows the exact opposite of all these baseless claims. Millennials will turn out against him in droves unseen in political history. He will degrade Republicans ties with suburban educated whites. He'll grab the lowest Hispanic vote for Republicans in near history. Will shred every last inch of hope with Asians, .etc

Who do you nuts think is going to vote for this guy that equates to a majority of votes cast nationwide, lol!? Nobody likes him but the molten core of older xenophobic Republican voters.

Well said.

[IceSpear]

Van Jones thinks TRUMP may/will win 30% of the black vote.

Then he's an idiot.

I think Van Jones knows better about who the blacks are going to vote for than you. Anyway, he said that 30% is possible, if the Democrats don't get their act together, while he said that 15% of the black vote for TRUMP is something that we should expect to happen.

Van Jones also said that Bernie would make inroads among the black vote, and that many were skeptical of Hillary. lol

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Van Jones thinks TRUMP may/will win 30% of the black vote.

Then he's an idiot.

I think Van Jones knows better about who the blacks are going to vote for than you. Anyway, he said that 30% is possible, if the Democrats don't get their act together, while he said that 15% of the black vote for TRUMP is something that we should expect to happen.

Van Jones also said that Bernie would make inroads among the black vote, and that many were skeptical of Hillary. lol

totally disproved when Hillary won MI by 15 points.

[IceSpear]

Van Jones thinks TRUMP may/will win 30% of the black vote.

Then he's an idiot.

I think Van Jones knows better about who the blacks are going to vote for than you. Anyway, he said that 30% is possible, if the Democrats don't get their act together, while he said that 15% of the black vote for TRUMP is something that we should expect to happen.

Van Jones also said that Bernie would make inroads among the black vote, and that many were skeptical of Hillary. lol

totally disproved when Hillary won MI by 15 points.

One state does not a trend make.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The fact that Donna Edwards is leading a black state like MD, shows the shift towards Clinton, not Trump. Blacks, particularly women, are shifting towards Harris, Duckworth as well as McGinty in other black states, including battleground Pennsylvania . Which is shaping up to be another year of women.

[Badger]

Van Jones thinks TRUMP may/will win 30% of the black vote.

Then he's an idiot.

[President Johnson]

He is running as a Republican.

He refused to disavow the KKK.

He is dead in the water with black voters.

He dennounced the KKK several times and stated, he doesn't want their support.

[Mallow]

Trump "turning the tide with blacks" is the same Atlas myth as whites are going to provide Donald the election, he's going to take working class states by storm, PA, .etc. Every single shred of evidence shows the exact opposite of all these baseless claims. Millennials will turn out against him in droves unseen in political history. He will degrade Republicans ties with suburban educated whites. He'll grab the lowest Hispanic vote for Republicans in near history. Will shred every last inch of hope with Asians, .etc

Who do you nuts think is going to vote for this guy that equates to a majority of votes cast nationwide, lol!? Nobody likes him but the molten core of older xenophobic Republican voters.

Yep, exactly. Kasich would have a good shot in the GE. Not Trump.

[President Johnson]

Trump "turning the tide with blacks" is the same Atlas myth as whites are going to provide Donald the election, he's going to take working class states by storm, PA, .etc. Every single shred of evidence shows the exact opposite of all these baseless claims. Millennials will turn out against him in droves unseen in political history. He will degrade Republicans ties with suburban educated whites. He'll grab the lowest Hispanic vote for Republicans in near history. Will shred every last inch of hope with Asians, .etc

Who do you nuts think is going to vote for this guy that equates to a majority of votes cast nationwide, lol!? Nobody likes him but the molten core of older xenophobic Republican voters.

Yep, exactly. Kasich would have a good shot in the GE. Not Trump.

As TRUMP's VP.

[hopper]

Trump "turning the tide with blacks" is the same Atlas myth as whites are going to provide Donald the election, he's going to take working class states by storm, PA, .etc. Every single shred of evidence shows the exact opposite of all these baseless claims. Millennials will turn out against him in droves unseen in political history. He will degrade Republicans ties with suburban educated whites. He'll grab the lowest Hispanic vote for Republicans in near history. Will shred every last inch of hope with Asians, .etc

Who do you nuts think is going to vote for this guy that equates to a majority of votes cast nationwide, lol!? Nobody likes him but the molten core of older xenophobic Republican voters.

Yep, exactly. Kasich would have a good shot in the GE. Not Trump.

True.

[hopper]

Van Jones thinks TRUMP may/will win 30% of the black vote.

More like 7% of the Black Vote.

[hopper]

But his campaign spokeswoman is Black!

She is bi-racial(Black and White.)

[hopper]

The Republicans completely failed to make any inroads at all with minorities,  Latinos, Asians, or Blacks.   Having a frontrunner that has huge support from white supremacist is probably not going to help much.    

The demographics of the General Election are probably going to drop to about 69-70% white from 72% white in 2012.    

There are more college educated whites than ever before

Fewer of the Silent generation (huge Republican supporters btw) because they're dying

More people than ever are not getting married,

The country is becoming more Urban, Rural populations are declining

Every possible demographic shift I see on the table favors Democrats except this constant conservative mantra of "oooo all these white people are really pissed off!  They're gonna have turnout like never before....and more blacks will vote for us too because.....they will!"

I will defend Trump actually since he can't control who votes for him.

[hopper]

Arguments in this thread in favor of Trump doing so well with blacks:

-The blacks love Trump!
-Trump will bring them jobs!
-some guy said Trump would perform so well amongst blacks!

Post trying to debunk my points:

None

Trump will perform with black voters about the same as any other GOP candidate.  No more, no less.

As for criticizing BLM:  Trump is right here.  BLM goes way beyond the legitimate issues of racial profiling and undue police brutality due to racial bias; they actively disrupt public events and assert, essentially, that people have some sort of legal right to resist a lawful arrest.  Trump is on the side of "law and order" here in the sense that he is asserting that the disruption of campaign events by "protesters" is, in actuality, disturbing the peace, and he's right.  

Except what Trump said goes far beyond criticizing their conduct.

Mike Tyson is supporting Trump.
Foxy Brown is supporting Trump.
Ben Carson is supporting Trump.

Like it or not, the Donald has that celeb-u-tard following that would vote for him because he says, "You're Fired!" on TV. Those followers transcend race. Do I expect Trump to win the AA vote? Of course not. Do I think that that subset of voters is going to care much about BLM, the (fake) bs going around about "white separatist" support or whatever other social justice warrior cause you think of?

No. They'd rather keep up with the Kardashians than protest on the street for "social justice."

Trump will do better with minorities than you think. It won't be 92-8 or whatever you normally see in a Presidential election. I don't think Van Jones is wrong. 10-20% is possible.

Mike Tyson and Foxy Brown haven't been in the limelight for years especially Foxy.

[Higgs]

I bet Trump gets somewhere between 8% and 12%

[Suburbia]

Trump has a 94 percent disapproval rating among black voters right now, according to the Washington Post. This will only make some people view black voters as "beholden to the Democratic Party". I could see Trump getting 7-10% of the black vote, because some black men in Ohio and Pennsylvania like Trump's macho image and persona. Trump could do well with black voters if the economy slumps in the fall, and if he talks about immigration and how some jobs affect African Americans. But Trump could get 7% most likely.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283744-poll-trump-has-94-percent-unfavorable-rating-with-blacks

[Wisconsin+17]

He might do better than that, about 14 percent if half of those who don't approve of him or Hillary end up voting for him.