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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: March 24, 2016, 12:03:40 PM »
« edited: March 24, 2016, 01:00:58 PM by Californian Tony Returns »

The bathroom issue is a completely separate issue

Of course you would think so.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2016, 02:00:16 PM »


It's just part of the big plan to end this transgender sideshow:

1. States and the federal government should not allow legal gender marker changes.

2. Transgender people should not have any legal protections against discrimination, nor should anyone be forced to respect their identity.

3. Transgender people should not be legally allowed to use facilities in accordance with their gender identity.

4. Medical coverage related to transition should not be provided by the government, or any other entity.

5. Transgender people should not be allowed to serve in the military.


I already regret that side remark. I never imagined you'd actually take the bait.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2016, 02:34:05 PM »


It's just part of the big plan to end this transgender sideshow:

1. States and the federal government should not allow legal gender marker changes.

2. Transgender people should not have any legal protections against discrimination, nor should anyone be forced to respect their identity.

3. Transgender people should not be legally allowed to use facilities in accordance with their gender identity.

4. Medical coverage related to transition should not be provided by the government, or any other entity.

5. Transgender people should not be allowed to serve in the military.


Get your head out of the clouds and realize that transgenderism is not a fairy tale. Whatever happened to you talking to someone and changing your mind on this issue?  I do hope you never try to run for office as a democrat - the party would never accept someone with your position on this issue.

By the time I'm middle aged, bald, and ready to run for elected office, I get the feeling that by that time, transgenderism will be the new abortion, the new divisive wedge social issue. And frankly, I don't mind being the future equivalent of a pro-life Democrat. Bob Casey sure hasn't had any trouble.

Are you seriously that deluded?

Luckily you probably won't get much further than winning 2% of the vote in a primary for city councilor.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2016, 03:51:51 PM »

His 4th item very clearly suggests banning gender reassignment surgery.

I'm not sure I read it that way.  I think he's saying it's not medically therapeutic, and shouldn't be covered by insurance, not necessarily that it should be banned.  But I wouldn't be surprised.  It seems like his position may be more based on passive-aggressive spite than anything.

His aggressiveness seems quite active to me.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2016, 02:06:08 PM »

How is this bathroom check thing even supposed to be enforced anyway? It's not like people carry their birth certificates with them, and you can't exactly go back home to pick it up when you have a urgent need.

But yeah, hopefully it will soon get struck down.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2016, 04:05:31 PM »

Honestly, I don't think there's any coherent way to legislate the [Inks]ing bathroom issue one way or another.

The question is, why would anyone try to in the first place?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2016, 12:21:28 PM »

I know it would be a bit obvious, but I feel the need to point out that it would be ridiculously easy to take Wolverine's post, change a couple words, and replace the picture with that of a Black person in the 1950s. Just sayin'.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2016, 09:18:14 PM »

I dunno, Wolverine is acting like a hammy villain character in a pro-LGBT melodrama (mwahaha, I shall put these trannies in their place, the jerry springer reference etc); but he previously has seemed fairly sincere in his views. Perhaps he's trying to ham it up so he can pretend he was faking all along?

Yeah, at this point, I have to believe he's not being entirely serious.

Not that this excuses his hatefulness in any way.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2016, 04:59:06 PM »

I will tell you where my views came from. I spent two years on a major university campus, and in attending semi-regularly the LGBT group, I found that the vast majority of the members were either completely transgender, or said they were "non-binary" and had come up with all these words that aren't in the dictionary that they wanted to be called instead of he and she. Not only that, but they were the same thin-skinned "safe space" assholes that are taking over other college campuses. There was even one girl who thought she should have been born a cat, so she painted her face like a cat, complete with plastic whiskers every day.

One girl blew up at me because I dared call her ma'am, as you're supposed to call a woman whose name you don't know or can't remember, and had I had my wits about me, this would have been my reaction to both her temper tantrum and her little "gender identity:"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wT5ycFi8Xvw

There was even one girl who went so far as to drop $400 into legally changing her name to Max because she was so angry at people laughing at her idea that she wasn't a man or a woman, despite her clearly being a woman.

This must have been a really horrific trauma. Clearly you need a safe space to recover. Sorry if we triggered you.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2016, 04:42:40 PM »

So in that case, how can we accommodate transgender people humanely and respectfully, while still addressing situations like this: http://www.krem.com/news/local/northwest/man-in-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/45412534 / http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/26/predator-who-claimed-to-be-transgender-declared-dangerous-offender

Would mandating that public buildings designate unisex restrooms be acceptable? I'm not being sarcastic here, and I'm actually asking this as a legitimate question. Is there a middle ground we can find?

Yes, gender neutral restrooms are great. Hopefully they'll become more common.
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