Which version of the Lord's Prayer is better?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Protestant. Can't stand that the Catholics leave off that beautiful last line.

If the roles were reversed and the Catholics were the ones with the last line, that's still how I'd say it.

[RI]

The one that doesn't include the doxology that was added later and not said by Jesus. It has its place, but this isn't it.

[Blue3]

Why do Catholics say "tresspassers"?

And it just sounds awful during a mass, sounds like a bunch of hissing echoing through the church with everyone saying it at once.

[°Leprechaun]

Well, the Catholic version is shorter. Honestly, though, I don't really like either, but that is not an option, so I am not going to vote.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Why do Catholics say "tresspassers"?

And it just sounds awful during a mass, sounds like a bunch of hissing echoing through the church with everyone saying it at once.

It's what appears in their translation of the Bible. Phonetics aside I prefer that to "debts" since it's a much better metaphor for "sins", though ideally I'd just drop the metaphors and just say "sins" like some translations. I'm also not fond of the second-to-last line/Catholic last line saying "deliver us from the evil one" instead of simply "deliver us from evil" like so many Protestant translations. So based on those yes, I do prefer the Catholic translation, the best being the Lutheran version is basically the Catholic version plus the last line.

Here's my preferred version as a Frankenstein of various translations of each line:

Our Father/Mother in heaven
May your name be holy
May your kingdom come
Your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
and forgive us our sins
as we forgive those who sin against us
And lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil.
For the kingdom, the power and the glory are yours, now and forever
Amen.

[°Leprechaun]

Why do Catholics say "tresspassers"?

And it just sounds awful during a mass, sounds like a bunch of hissing echoing through the church with everyone saying it at once.

It's what appears in their translation of the Bible. Phonetics aside I prefer that to "debts" since it's a much better metaphor for "sins", though ideally I'd just drop the metaphors and just say "sins" like some translations. I'm also not fond of the second-to-last line/Catholic last line saying "deliver us from the evil one" instead of simply "deliver us from evil" like so many Protestant translations. So based on those yes, I do prefer the Catholic translation, the best being the Lutheran version is basically the Catholic version plus the last line.

Here's my preferred version as a Frankenstein of various translations of each line:

Our Father/Mother in heaven
May your name be holy
May your kingdom come
Your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
and forgive us our sins
as we forgive those who sin against us
And lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil.
For the kingdom, the power and the glory are yours, now and forever
Amen.

"Our Father-Mother God, all-harmonious," The Christian Science version.

[Zioneer]

I prefer the good old King James Version version of the Lord's Prayer.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The Catholic version with the Protestant last line present but said after the amen to make it clear that it's an addendum to the original prayer (abnormal). That line is beautiful. Didn't vote.

[Antonio the Sixth]

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...not supposed to be in the Catholic version? Because I distinctly remember it from the masses I attended in my youth.

[Blue3]

It's short regardless, length shouldn't matter.



This is the version I know...
(and "Amen" is pronounced Ahh-men.)


Our Father,
who art in Heaven,
hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we forgive our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil,
for thy are the Power and the Glory,
Forever and Ever.

Amen.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

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...not supposed to be in the Catholic version? Because I distinctly remember it from the masses I attended in my youth.

I think the official Catholic position (wish this was AAD so I could tag TJ) is that if you want to pray it with the last line personally that's fine, but it's not appropriate for liturgical use. I'd guess that the difference could be a language issue but all Catholic bibles are translated from some master version in Latin, which presumably wouldn't have that last line either in it. So...maybe some French diocese had a weird policy?

[Small L]

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...not supposed to be in the Catholic version? Because I distinctly remember it from the masses I attended in my youth.

I think the official Catholic position (wish this was AAD so I could tag TJ) is that if you want to pray it with the last line personally that's fine, but it's not appropriate for liturgical use. I'd guess that the difference could be a language issue but all Catholic bibles are translated from some master version in Latin, which presumably wouldn't have that last line either in it. So...maybe some French diocese had a weird policy?

Catholics always pray the last line at Mass. It would be inappropriate not to say it during the liturgy. It's just not thought of as part of the Our Father because in between the Our Father and the doxology the priest prays:

"Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day. In your mercy keep us free from sin and protect us from all anxiety as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ."

This means that the doxology is always said in the Mass, but pretty much never outside of it.

[Illiniwek]

Catholics always pray the last line at Mass. It would be inappropriate not to say it during the liturgy. It's just not thought of as part of the Our Father because in between the Our Father and the doxology the priest prays:

"Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day. In your mercy keep us free from sin and protect us from all anxiety as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ."

This means that the doxology is always said in the Mass, but pretty much never outside of it.

Here here!

Our Father/Mother in heaven

Oh my goodness, I can't even...

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Our Father/Mother in heaven

Oh my goodness, I can't even...

While this is probably inappropriate for the Lord's Prayer, there's an extensive tradition in medieval theology and mysticism of using feminine as well as masculine terms and imagery for God. I think it's Margery Kempe who talks at one point about nursing at Jesus' breast. Gregory of Nazianzus specifically mocks the idea that the Father's fatherhood implies the same things about gender as human fatherhood (the Son's sonhood has generally of course been seen as much more gendered in human terms, on account of the Incarnation).

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

The version that the Lord actually said.

[Illiniwek]

Our Father/Mother in heaven

Oh my goodness, I can't even...

While this is probably inappropriate for the Lord's Prayer, there's an extensive tradition in medieval theology and mysticism of using feminine as well as masculine terms and imagery for God. I think it's Margery Kempe who talks at one point about nursing at Jesus' breast. Gregory of Nazianzus specifically mocks the idea that the Father's fatherhood implies the same things about gender as human fatherhood (the Son's sonhood has generally of course been seen as much more gendered in human terms, on account of the Incarnation).

Yeah, I mean I don't want to say that God is definitely a man and doesn't have feminine qualities, or certainly that men are closer to God than women are. But cmon, just use the language our Lord gave us. Use the imagery he gave us. Don't try to achieve some unnecessary ultra-feminist goal at the expense of understanding what the Lord has given us. God is the Father. Jesus is the Son. Mary is the Mother of Christ. Jesus is the bridegroom, and we, the body of believers, are the bride. Women shouldn't feel any less close to God because of the language, but there is a reason that language was used.

[i4indyguy]

I managed to get to my teenage years without even knowing the catholics had a different version.
Such was life in the protestant Midwest.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

I prefer the good old King James Version version of the Lord's Prayer.

This.  Many manuscripts do not contain any of the prayer after "deliver us from evil," but as a child, I was taught to say it as my bedtime prayer, including "for Thine is the kingdom..." on.  And yes, it was based on the KJV's translation.  But "hallowed" was pronounced with two syllables instead of three.

I was also taught the version that uses "debts" instead of "trespasses."  My uncle is an LCMS minister, however, and they recite it with "trespasses" every week.

I'll just give you the version I was taught to say before bed:

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Or let me put it this way: I prefer the Protestant version because I don't recite the Hail Mary afterwards; that prayer, and every other Catholic "prayer" to the saints is blasphemous idolatry.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Or let me put it this way: I prefer the Protestant version because I don't recite the Hail Mary afterwards; that prayer, and every other Catholic "prayer" to the saints is blasphemous idolatry.

I mean, for one thing, the Our Father and the Hail Mary are two different prayers for Catholics, not one big prayer; for another thing, the first two-thirds of the Hail Mary come directly from the text of Luke; for another, generally one doesn't ask figures one is worshiping to pray for one...

[Mr. Smith]

The Catholic version easily.

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Cliff Richard's

[Intell]

Catholic Version easily, (even if not christian, went to a catholic school).

[Santander]

I prefer the good old King James Version version of the Lord's Prayer.

[Kingpoleon]

Similar to Blue3/Oldiesfreak:
Our Father,
who art in Heaven,
hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory
Now and forever.

Amen.

[Wake Me Up When The Hard Border Ends]

Definitely the King James version, the version we use at my church.