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« Reply #775 on: March 29, 2016, 08:16:31 PM »
« edited: March 29, 2016, 08:18:07 PM by Pacific Councilor 1184AZ »

Hawaii County results are now on the NYT website http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

Sanders wins all counties that have results
Kauai:77.1-22.8
Honolulu:63-36.8
Maui: 78.5-21.2
Hawaii: 77.3-22.6
Kalawao no votes
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« Reply #776 on: March 29, 2016, 11:32:51 PM »


Hillary didn't lose every county on Saturday.  Tongue
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« Reply #777 on: March 30, 2016, 12:29:01 AM »

Obviously the lepers don't have hands, so they can't vote.


Seriously though, I do wonder why there's no results from there.

Precinct level results can be found on this site.

Does anyone know what precincts belong where? I'm curious about the breakdown between Niihau vs Kauai in Kauai County as well as Maui vs Lanai vs Molokai in Maui County.
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« Reply #778 on: March 30, 2016, 01:03:05 AM »

Arizona result is changing - Hillary down to 56 or 57%, Sanders at 41% - All ballots are being tallied. Would probably end up 58-42 after giving away the others.

Lots of people voting in Provisional ballots due to ballots finished or wrong tallying etc being changed. Still 1000's of provisional ballots not counted - The issue is being taken up the court. Don't know what will happen.
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« Reply #779 on: March 30, 2016, 01:08:05 AM »

I think all states should have primaries. And, I think if Washington Republicans can have a primary for delegates, Democrats should certainly do so as well. I would hope this is something the party can work on for the future once we have our nominee.
The Washington presidential preference primary was created by initiative. As such the politicians hate it. This is particularly true in Washington since the regular primary is designed to curb the power of political bosses. The voters don't necessarily like it because they have to disclose party affiliation for the presidential primary/

When the initiative was passed in 1988, Washington was still voting in person, and voters could go to the polling place and ask for a Democratic or Republican ballot (the regular primary was and is in late summer, and does not require public disclosure of affiliation).

Since then Washington has switched to vote-by-mail. Voters have to sign an affiliation that goes on the outside of their ballot envelope. If it is filled out, the voter is reported to their party, and the ballot is counted.

In 2004 and 2012, the primary was cancelled, but only on a temporary basis. Generally it was portrayed as a cost-saving measure, but it was also likely political. The 2012 primary was canceled by Democrats, who had no need for a primary, and didn't want to risk giving any boost to a Republican challenger.

The Democrats have generally not used the results of the primary to allocate delegates (and in general the states have no control over internal party matters such as choosing delegates to a national convention).

Last year, the odd couple of SOS Kim Wyman and Senator Pam Roach proposed switching to a March primary. As part of the deal, the parties would have to elect at least one delegate based on the primary results. If they didn't, then the primary would be a pure beauty contest with no party affiliation required. Voters don't like the public affiliation requirement, and they like it even worse when the Democrats ignore the results, but accept the voter list.

The bill passed the Republican-controlled senate, but never got out of the House committee. There was speculation about cancelling the 2016 primary, but apparently there were not Republican votes to do that. When the house committee heard the bill, some Democratic central committee members testified against it (based on appearances they were either longshorewomen or teachers union.)

The current primary statute calls for the May primary, but has a provision that the date can be changed by a committee comprised of the SOS, the chair and vice chair of the (two) major parties, and the majority and minority leader of the two legislative chambers (so 4 Republicans, 4 Democrats, and the SOS), a change requires a 2/3 vote.

So SOS Wyman chirpily had everyone introduce themselves, and explained the advantages of an earlier primary, and then a motion was made to change the primary to March. It failed to be approved on a 5-4 vote.

As part of an effort to score points against the Democrats, the Republicans are choosing their delegates based on the May primary (in the past they have used a mix of caucuses and primary votes).
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« Reply #780 on: March 30, 2016, 02:59:07 AM »

Arizona result is changing - Hillary down to 56 or 57%, Sanders at 41% - All ballots are being tallied. Would probably end up 58-42 after giving away the others.

Lots of people voting in Provisional ballots due to ballots finished or wrong tallying etc being changed. Still 1000's of provisional ballots not counted - The issue is being taken up the court. Don't know what will happen.

Sanders getting over 40% statewide there means another delegate, I believe.
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« Reply #781 on: April 04, 2016, 05:05:00 AM »

I think all states should have primaries. And, I think if Washington Republicans can have a primary for delegates, Democrats should certainly do so as well. I would hope this is something the party can work on for the future once we have our nominee.

Agreed, but it sounds like the Washington Caucus is relatively new. Used to be a primary, but they switched.

Huh?  Caucuses have existed in Washington for many years, it's just that there's also a primary.  The Republicans have sometimes split the delegate allocation between caucuses and primary, but I don't think the primary has been used for delegate allocation on the Dem. side for a while.

According to Rachel Maddow's show, Republicans switched from a caucus to a primary after Pat Robertson won the Washington caucuses in 1988.
The presidential primary in Washington was created via the initiative process. In Washington, an initiative may first go to the legislature, which has the option of approving the initiative, proposing an alternative, or rejecting it, in which case it goes to the ballot.

The presidential primary initiative petition was filed in April 1988, and approved by the legislature in 1989, so it was never on the ballot. At the time, the House was 63D, 35R and the Senate was 25R, 24D. The senate approved on a 38:10 vote, to the approval of the long time Republican SOS Ralph Munro.

I doubt that you could get such a petition in such a short while after the March 1988 caucus, or that Democrats who signed the petition would think, "Look at the Republican caucuses, we have to save them from themselves."

There had been a 20-year effort to  get a presidential primary in Washington, and the Robertson victory may have provided an impetus.

Maddow in technically correct in that 1989 is after 1988, and that the primary was approved by the legislature in 1989, and Robertson controlled the state convention in 1988.
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« Reply #782 on: April 04, 2016, 05:23:30 AM »

Arizona result is changing - Hillary down to 56 or 57%, Sanders at 41% - All ballots are being tallied. Would probably end up 58-42 after giving away the others.

Lots of people voting in Provisional ballots due to ballots finished or wrong tallying etc being changed. Still 1000's of provisional ballots not counted - The issue is being taken up the court. Don't know what will happen.

Sanders getting over 40% statewide there means another delegate, I believe.

He wouldn't get any more from the statewide delegates, but there's a good chance he could pickup another delegate in the 1st district, and maybe in the 2nd or 6th districts.
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