The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread

[GGover]

Joe Biden's daughter says ex-VP considering 2020 run

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[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Biden is the only Dem who could defeat Trump by over 20%. Just think about all the congressional seats that would inevitably come with that. If he doesn't run, he's making a huge mistake.

[Alabama_Indy10]

Biden is the only Dem who could defeat Trump by over 20%. Just think about all the congressional seats that would inevitably come with that. If he doesn't run, he's making a huge mistake.

Nobody's beating anybody by over 20%

[TheSaint250]

Biden is the only Dem who could defeat Trump by over 20%. Just think about all the congressional seats that would inevitably come with that. If he doesn't run, he's making a huge mistake.

Here we go again with this. Centrist Dems cannot win. Even Obama got only +7% win with a total economic meltdown in 2008

He's not a centrist

[Blackacre]

Biden is the only Dem who could defeat Trump by over 20%. Just think about all the congressional seats that would inevitably come with that. If he doesn't run, he's making a huge mistake.

Here we go again with this. Centrist Dems cannot win. Even Obama got only +7% win with a total economic meltdown in 2008

He's not a centrist

He's a Democrat whose main accomplishment is passing Heritage Foundation' healthcare bill. In what world is he not a centrist?

The heritage foundation bill didn't have a public option in it. The public option was included in the PPACA until it couldn't clear the 60 vote threshold when Lieberman said he wouldn't vote for the bill if it included a public option.

Obama never intended on passing a public option. That whole story with Liberman is just a fluff piece as the Public Option was passable with 51 votes under reconciliation. Obama, who received $10s of millions from various health insurance+pharmaceutical lobbies during his run, refused to bring up a public option for a simple vote under reconciliation.

Democrats keep playing this game with their voting base of always dangling a carrot in front of them then yanking it back. Hence why the party is hollowed out and nobody even bother's showing up anymore (2014 mid-terms had the lowest turnout in US History)

There's no way in Hell you could've passed the PPACA through reconciliation unless you completely nuked the filibuster which opens up a whole nother can of worms. You'd basically turn the senate into a smaller House of Reps which sounds great until the GOP get a trifecta and pass a slew of conservative  agenda items with only 51 votes.

Well...it was possible:

Sanders: Senate has the votes to pass public option via reconciliation
BY JORDAN FABIAN - 02/25/10 04:16 PM EST

Yeah it's possible by nuking the filibuster. Speaker Ryan couldn't even get rid of the lines around the states in regards to insurance competition due to that initiative having to pass the 60 vote threshold. The PPACA with or without the public option was always gonna have to pass the 60 vote threshold.

If Democrats ever win a structural advantage similar to the one they had during the New Deal days then they may as well junk the filibuster and cuck the Republicans repeatedly

When that happened, we might. But we didn't have one in 2009.

Even if we did manage to use reconciliation to get the public option, btw, it would have gone away after the 10 year budget window. Which would have created a looming nightmare similar to the fiscal cliff at the end of fiscal year 2020. We'd need a trifecta by then or else we'd be screwed

[NYSforKennedy2024]

https://www.axios.com/clinton-says-shell-never-again-run-for-office-2483647276.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

Axios - Clinton says she'll never again run for office.

Rejoice, fellow Democrats.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

https://www.axios.com/clinton-says-shell-never-again-run-for-office-2483647276.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

Axios - Clinton says she'll never again run for office.

Rejoice, fellow Democrats.

Good Riddens. This country is sick and tired of the Clintons, and it's only because the main alternative was so terrible that she got as close as she did to the Presidency. Rubio, Kasich, and probably even Cruz would have won even more comfortably in the EC, and gotten a narrow win in the NPV.

[Possiblymaybe]

Harris fundraising for Sherrod Brown in Ohio

Sen. Kamala Harris headed to Ohio on Friday for a two-day fundraising swing.

The fundraisers are not for her — they'll benefit her Senate colleague Sherrod Brown, who is up for reelection next year. But Harris’ appearance in the presidential battleground state is sure to draw attention given the speculation swirling around her political future.

Harris is the special guest at five fundraisers for Brown in Cincinnati, Columbus and Shaker Heights.

A prodigious fundraiser, she has already been active raising money for 2018 candidates through her email lists and political action committee. But the trip to Ohio is the first time she has ventured to another state to headline a fundraiser.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-sen-harris-goes-to-1504909471-htmlstory.html

[Mr. Morden]

O'Malley was in Iowa yet again this weekend:

https://twitter.com/NateBoulton/status/906295900619735040

And Merkley is there right now.  Here's a brief recap of his trip there so far this weekend (he arrived last night, and had events today, plus more events tomorrow before leaving tomorrow night):

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/10/jeff-merkley-iowa-caucuses-progressive-policies/650552001/

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But Merkley claims he's traveling more now simply because his kids are now grown, not because he's angling for the presidency:

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[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Pete Buttigieg was in Iowa today (link is from the announcement, I saw it on the corpse of his DNC campaign page)

[MAINEiac4434]

O'Malley was in Iowa yet again this weekend

O'Malley has spent so much time in Iowa the past few years he should no longer be considered a Marylander.

[Canis]

Merkley will definitely run in 2020 if Sanders and Warren stay out he would get my endorsement instantly

[Shadows]

Biden's Daughter - Joe Biden considering 2020 run.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/08/politics/joe-biden-2020-ashley-biden/index.html?sr=twCNNp090817joe-biden-2020-ashley-biden0234PMVODtop&CNNPolitics=Tw

[Gass3268]

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[Shadows]

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As if Jeff Merkley. I think Vox was right. Every potential 2020 contender is slowly coming over.

[Blackacre]

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As if Jeff Merkley. I think Vox was right. Every potential 2020 contender is slowly coming over.

...whelp.

As someone who isn't a fan of medicare-for-all... (or at least has substantial reservations) I know when I'm not on the winning side of an issue. Let's just hope whatever bill gets signed works and doesn't block advancement of that many other issues.

[Mr. Morden]

Biden's Daughter - Joe Biden considering 2020 run.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/08/politics/joe-biden-2020-ashley-biden/index.html?sr=twCNNp090817joe-biden-2020-ashley-biden0234PMVODtop&CNNPolitics=Tw

You're the third person to post that same news story in this thread. 

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5815698#msg5815698

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5816370#msg5816370

[varesurgent]

Let's crowd-source invisible primary happenings http://politicaledu.org/democratic-invisible-primary-watch/

[BuckeyeNut]

Evidently missed in this thread, but Rep. Tim Ryan (OH-13) doesn't know if he's running for President or not.

[History505]

Evidently missed in this thread, but Rep. Tim Ryan (OH-13) doesn't know if he's running for President or not.

If this man runs, going to need to bump up that name recognition real fast.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/350166-gillibrand-to-back-sanderss-single-payer-bill-report

Gillibrand announces support for Sanders' Single Payer Bill.

[Blackacre]

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As if Jeff Merkley. I think Vox was right. Every potential 2020 contender is slowly coming over.

...whelp.

As someone who isn't a fan of medicare-for-all... (or at least has substantial reservations) I know when I'm not on the winning side of an issue. Let's just hope whatever bill gets signed works and doesn't block advancement of that many other issues.

What are your issues with it?

Mainly that getting everyone, especially everyone who has coverage through their employer, onto the new system is going to be messy, and might result in worse care for a lot of people. I'm more a fan of a public option and/or further expansions of Medicaid.

[Mr. Morden]

Evidently missed in this thread, but Rep. Tim Ryan (OH-13) doesn't know if he's running for President or not.

Your link doesn't work for me, but if you're talking about this:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5813704#msg5813704

then I already posted it.

[Shadows]

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As if Jeff Merkley. I think Vox was right. Every potential 2020 contender is slowly coming over.

...whelp.

As someone who isn't a fan of medicare-for-all... (or at least has substantial reservations) I know when I'm not on the winning side of an issue. Let's just hope whatever bill gets signed works and doesn't block advancement of that many other issues.

What are your issues with it?

Mainly that getting everyone, especially everyone who has coverage through their employer, onto the new system is going to be messy, and might result in worse care for a lot of people. I'm more a fan of a public option and/or further expansions of Medicaid.

I still doubt if it can pass. It will be messy, it will be tough & the entire pharma & insurance lobbies will be up in arms. It will be a more bloody campaign than the ACA.

But if it comes to pass, it will be a much better solution. It will cover everyone at a low cost & overall per capita GDP spending on healthcare will likely fall, outcomes will likely be better. The delinking with employer will be a massive boost to American business & will allow people the freedom to switch jobs or start their own firms.

[Mr. Morden]

A billionaire Democratic donor says that "quite a few" 2020 Dem. presidential candidates have already reached out to him looking for support, and they're all politicians rather than celebrities or businesspeople:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/12/democrat-marc-lasry-we-need-a-message-beyond-anybody-but-trump.html

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