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WalterMitty
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« on: June 05, 2005, 01:03:35 PM »
option 1!
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2005, 01:15:41 PM »
Yep, it's Spitzer. He'll be the Obama of 2006.
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2005, 01:22:56 PM »
Just about all the Democratic Presidential contenders for '06.
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2005, 02:03:58 PM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on June 05, 2005, 01:15:41 PM
Yep, it's Spitzer. He'll be the Obama of 2006.

You mean he'll win in a landslide and receive national attention as a new rising star? I totally agree!

Do any of you who think he's so overrated really dispute that he is basically already governor-elect now? Come on.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2005, 02:25:45 PM »
George Osbourne
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2005, 02:33:03 PM »
other -Hillary Clinton and George Allen
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2005, 03:15:49 PM »
Hillary Clinton
Barrack Obama
Eliot Spitzer

I'm sure there are others, but I can't think of anyone else.
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2005, 05:49:42 PM »
Obama won a landslide because of a lack of credible opponents in a Democratic state.  Same is true of Spitzer.
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2005, 05:56:35 PM »
Condi Rice
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2005, 06:00:57 PM »
Quote from: John D. Ford on June 05, 2005, 05:49:42 PM
Obama won a landslide because of a lack of credible opponents in a Democratic state.  Same is true of Spitzer.

I assume you mean will win. Anyways, since when does 12 year incumbent governor not qualify as credible?
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2005, 06:21:57 PM »
i think barbara 'most votes for a senator' boxer deserves a mention in this thread also.
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2005, 06:44:08 PM »
Quote from: Frente Farabundo Martí para la Liberación Nacional on June 05, 2005, 02:03:58 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil on June 05, 2005, 01:15:41 PM
Yep, it's Spitzer. He'll be the Obama of 2006.

You mean he'll win in a landslide and receive national attention as a new rising star? I totally agree!

Do any of you who think he's so overrated really dispute that he is basically already governor-elect now? Come on.

When did I say he wasn't likely to win? I do believe he'll win easily. I do believe he'll be a rising star. However, there's more to it. Obama was a rising star and now he's done. You don't hear about Obama anymore. People don't care. So, yes, he'll be the next Obama.
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2005, 07:00:37 PM »
Spitzer's star will only continue to rise.
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2005, 07:06:19 PM »
Spitzer hasn't even began to be recognized by the public yet.  He is certianly not overated.  His poll numbers look very good, also.

I'd say Condi Rice. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2005, 07:09:01 PM »
Quote from: Senator Cosmo Kramer on June 05, 2005, 07:06:19 PM
Spitzer hasn't even began to be recognized by the public yet.  He is certianly not overated.  His poll numbers look very good, also.

New Yorkers love him. He is starting to get a big name for fighting corporate corruption. We need more politicians like him.
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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2005, 09:44:20 PM »
Corporate corruption like what?
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2005, 09:54:22 PM »
Option #2

Barack Obama
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2005, 11:04:48 PM »
Rudy Guiliani
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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2005, 11:12:39 PM »
Democrats:
Hillary Clinton
Evan Bayh

Republicans:
John McCain
Rudy Guliani
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2005, 11:35:31 PM »

Why?  Is it just because he "just so happened to be there"?  Winston Churchill, FDR, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington "just so happened to be there" as well.  Are they overrated?
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2005, 01:08:36 AM »
Quote from: Senator Supersoulty on June 05, 2005, 11:35:31 PM

Why?  Is it just because he "just so happened to be there"?  Winston Churchill, FDR, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington "just so happened to be there" as well.  Are they overrated?

Yeah, because Rudy just happened to be here, but some Republicans seem to think of him as a demigod, where he has no exprience about the local level and a crapload of scandals that will hurt his election chances.
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2005, 01:38:46 AM »
Quote from: nini2287 on June 06, 2005, 01:08:36 AM
Quote from: Senator Supersoulty on June 05, 2005, 11:35:31 PM

Why?  Is it just because he "just so happened to be there"?  Winston Churchill, FDR, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington "just so happened to be there" as well.  Are they overrated?

Yeah, because Rudy just happened to be here, but some Republicans seem to think of him as a demigod, where he has no exprience about the local level and a crapload of scandals that will hurt his election chances.

Rudy has a Hell of a lot more expirience as mayor of New York than some Senators and governors do.

New York City (pop) 8,158,000

Arkansas (pop) 2,673,400

Massachusetts (pop) 6,349,097

See where I am going with this?
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2005, 02:04:01 AM »
In foreign countries, Mayors are given great credibility.  In Mexico, for example, Mexico City's Mayor is in line to be the next President.  Chirac was Mayor of Paris before becoming President of France.  We strangely, and wrongly, discredit Mayors.  As Super pointed out, New York City has more people than Arkansas.

As for Pataki being or not being a credible opponent, given his wild unpopularity, and the strong chance he won't run at all, I think jfern's comments are a bit ludicrous.
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2005, 02:05:47 AM »
Quote from: Senator Supersoulty on June 06, 2005, 01:38:46 AM
Quote from: nini2287 on June 06, 2005, 01:08:36 AM
Quote from: Senator Supersoulty on June 05, 2005, 11:35:31 PM

Why?  Is it just because he "just so happened to be there"?  Winston Churchill, FDR, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington "just so happened to be there" as well.  Are they overrated?

Yeah, because Rudy just happened to be here, but some Republicans seem to think of him as a demigod, where he has no exprience about the local level and a crapload of scandals that will hurt his election chances.

Rudy has a Hell of a lot more expirience as mayor of New York than some Senators and governors do.

New York City (pop) 8,158,000

Arkansas (pop) 2,673,400

Massachusetts (pop) 6,349,097

See where I am going with this?

That's true but having experience dealing with state, and especially national-level issues are much importnat as president than local issues.
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2005, 02:25:46 AM »
Quote from: nini2287 on June 06, 2005, 02:05:47 AM
Quote from: Senator Supersoulty on June 06, 2005, 01:38:46 AM
Quote from: nini2287 on June 06, 2005, 01:08:36 AM
Quote from: Senator Supersoulty on June 05, 2005, 11:35:31 PM

Why?  Is it just because he "just so happened to be there"?  Winston Churchill, FDR, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington "just so happened to be there" as well.  Are they overrated?

Yeah, because Rudy just happened to be here, but some Republicans seem to think of him as a demigod, where he has no exprience about the local level and a crapload of scandals that will hurt his election chances.

Rudy has a Hell of a lot more expirience as mayor of New York than some Senators and governors do.

New York City (pop) 8,158,000

Arkansas (pop) 2,673,400

Massachusetts (pop) 6,349,097

See where I am going with this?

That's true but having experience dealing with state, and especially national-level issues are much importnat as president than local issues.

The mayor of New York is basically a governor.  On day-to-day affairs, the mayor acts almost completely independently of the state.  This was an arrangment that was worked out a long time ago.  He has the profile of any governor as well.  If something goes wrong there, the White House does not call the governor.  When state governors need to work out a deal with New York City, they don't bother to call the governor.  It is the only city in the country where city government is higher profile than what is going on throughout the state.
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