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« on: April 04, 2016, 03:46:04 AM »
« edited: April 04, 2016, 09:08:15 AM by #TheShadowyAbyss »

Cultural appropriation is the adoption or use of elements of one culture by members of a different culture.

Example, lots of African Americans take Arab names as their own, or white guys heaving dreadlocks (as some claim).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2016, 04:21:14 AM »

there's definitely a lot of overblown hysteria, but at its core, accessorization of minority cultures is a real problem.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2016, 04:29:13 AM »

The focus of my graduate studies has basically shifted to museum education and the politics of Indigenous cultures on display. Settler-colonialism in Canada continues to debase Aboriginal traditions, knowledge, and epistemologies... I don't see how stealing the visual elements of these folks' cultures and completely ripping them from their spiritual contexts is any different.

My opinion is negative.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2016, 04:46:58 AM »

I think it's a good and, most importantly, completely natural, thing (not a SJW cuck).

I make an exception for white people with dreadlocks. They should all be shot.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2016, 04:58:41 AM »

I think it's a good and, most importantly, completely natural, thing (not a SJW cuck).

I make an exception for white people with dreadlocks. They should all be shot.

Adopting snowshoes is different from a mindless hipster parading around in a Tlingit family's extremely meaningful Chilkat dance apron. Sh-t like this actually happens.

I'm not saying cultures can't be dynamic and rub off on each other, but in some cases we're talking about the literal theft of sacred property. I hope you don't actually think that's a good thing.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2016, 06:43:45 AM »

No problem with it
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2016, 06:54:44 AM »

Usually a good thing, plus something that's been happening for millennia.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2016, 07:31:25 AM »

An irresistible force that has been happening since rocks cooled. So complaining about it, is like complaining that some of the planet has seasons.
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2016, 08:47:53 AM »

When done right it's one of the best things about human culture; when done wrong it's terrible and stupid. Overall I'll call it neutral.
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2016, 10:02:29 AM »

Usually a good thing, plus something that's been happening for millennia.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2016, 10:13:32 AM »

I think it's a good and, most importantly, completely natural, thing (not a SJW cuck).

I make an exception for white people with dreadlocks. They should all be shot.
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2016, 10:49:23 AM »

We just had a thread on that.
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2016, 12:03:29 PM »

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.  Like, just a couple of days ago right?
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2016, 01:54:01 PM »

When done right it's one of the best things about human culture; when done wrong it's terrible and stupid. Overall I'll call it neutral.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2016, 08:18:06 PM »

Depends. In a melting pot culture like ours, borrowing words from different languages, incorporating new ideas and traditions, etc, is crucial. That's how assimilation works and you get a stunningly diverse society that, for all its faults, is designed to be a brew of different cultures, ideas and peoples.

Dressing up in sombreros to celebrate Cinco De Mayo? Not a good idea.
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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2016, 09:50:25 PM »

People shouldn't wear green on St.Paddy'sDay?  Or drink out of steins at Octoberfest?  Use chopsticks at the Chinese restaurant?  Where is the line?  Who gets to decide where the line is?
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2016, 09:58:04 PM »

People shouldn't wear green on St.Paddy'sDay?  Or drink out of steins at Octoberfest?  Use chopsticks at the Chinese restaurant?  Where is the line?  Who gets to decide where the line is?

Well, St Patrick's Day is an actual Irish holiday that people in Ireland celebrate. Cinco de Mayo became a big thing in order to market Corona.

Incidentally, this does cut both ways in absurdity. I was once accused of only knowing how to use chopsticks to seem "cultured" and to "impress girls."
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2016, 10:15:46 PM »

The latest controversy is just more social-justice garbage, but I do think it's annoying that Americans co-opt foreign holidays and turn them into excuses to get drunk.

But, as a rule, appropriation is part of being a "melting pot" type of culture where different cultures inevitably mix together into something uniquely American. It's part of what makes America great.
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2016, 03:39:26 AM »

People shouldn't wear green on St.Paddy'sDay?  Or drink out of steins at Octoberfest?  Use chopsticks at the Chinese restaurant?  Where is the line?  Who gets to decide where the line is?

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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2016, 05:26:50 AM »

This process is going on for millennia, with cultures influencing each other. That's how our freaking civilization was formed, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse, but it's unavoidable.
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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2016, 07:15:11 AM »

People shouldn't wear green on St.Paddy'sDay?  Or drink out of steins at Octoberfest?  Use chopsticks at the Chinese restaurant?  Where is the line?  Who gets to decide where the line is?

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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2016, 08:12:25 AM »
« Edited: April 05, 2016, 08:14:16 AM by Oldiesfreak1854 »

Neutral.  And nobody does it better than Japan.

Personally, there's something I don't get about cultural appropriation.  Liberals seem to think it's great when we do it in America--it's "celebrating diversity."  But when other countries appropriate elements of American culture, it's considered a threat to their traditions.  How is eating at McDonald's or driving an American auto brand any more of threat to foreign countries than eating "ethnic" food or driving a foreign car a threat to America?
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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2016, 08:46:15 AM »

Neutral.  And nobody does it better than Japan.

Personally, there's something I don't get about cultural appropriation.  Liberals seem to think it's great when we do it in America--it's "celebrating diversity."  But when other countries appropriate elements of American culture, it's considered a threat to their traditions.  How is eating at McDonald's or driving an American auto brand any more of threat to foreign countries than eating "ethnic" food or driving a foreign car a threat to America?

There actually is a sociological answer to this, but the problem gets catastrophized and sensationalized so much that I'm sick of discussing it.
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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2016, 08:54:07 AM »

Neutral.  And nobody does it better than Japan.

Personally, there's something I don't get about cultural appropriation.  Liberals seem to think it's great when we do it in America--it's "celebrating diversity."  But when other countries appropriate elements of American culture, it's considered a threat to their traditions.  How is eating at McDonald's or driving an American auto brand any more of threat to foreign countries than eating "ethnic" food or driving a foreign car a threat to America?

There actually is a sociological answer to this, but the problem gets catastrophized and sensationalized so much that I'm sick of discussing it.

I'm actually powerful curious to hear about this. You got a link or some reading suggestions?
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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2016, 09:11:25 AM »
« Edited: April 05, 2016, 09:14:40 AM by LIVE THE DREAM. PURGE THOSE BOZOS »

Neutral.  And nobody does it better than Japan.

Personally, there's something I don't get about cultural appropriation.  Liberals seem to think it's great when we do it in America--it's "celebrating diversity."  But when other countries appropriate elements of American culture, it's considered a threat to their traditions.  How is eating at McDonald's or driving an American auto brand any more of threat to foreign countries than eating "ethnic" food or driving a foreign car a threat to America?

There actually is a sociological answer to this, but the problem gets catastrophized and sensationalized so much that I'm sick of discussing it.

I'm actually powerful curious to hear about this. You got a link or some reading suggestions?

Part of the reason I'm sick of discussing it is that the sociological concepts themselves can come across as a little conspiratorial or histrionic but I do think they have some explanatory merit. Essentially it's that it's a form of hegemony and cultural imperialism, with that added twist that one important and powerful criticism of cultural imperialism theory in general is that if certain moral and cultural standards are better than others and thus that it's not a bad thing to impose them, and that this criticism doesn't really apply here because it's impossible to argue that McDonald's is objectively superior to what less-Westernized societies eat (I'm not going to argue with Oldiesfreak about American cars because that's a ridiculous equivalency and not really a 'cultural' issue in the same sense). We have a poster here who purports to believe in a 'free market of cultures' in which, by implication, American culture prevails because it's in some way intrinsically superior and cultures that are imperiled must be so because they have something the matter with them, but the real world doesn't work that way, and in any case it's an absolutely ludicrous argument to make about things like eating habits or (I'm thinking here about what the De Beers cartel has done to Japanese customs over the decades) wedding aesthetics. America is, simply, powerful enough to incorporate and mediate influences from other cultures in ways that those countries aren't. It's less about what is inherently more or less of 'a threat' and more about what a culture does or does not have the power to approach and mediate on its own terms.

Again, though, it's absolutely possible to overstate how much of a problem this is, and a lot of people in socio/anthropology, international relations theory, and related disciplines, especially people whose political inclinations lean New Left, appear to believe that no disadvantaged or dispossessed culture can show any resilience at all and that they're all absolutely helpless, pliant, and prone beneath the wheels of the mainstream white American juggernaut. Which is insulting to say the least.
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