charlie hebdo continues to be pure garbage, now without the "muh satire" charade

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

https://charliehebdo.fr/en/edito/how-did-we-end-up-here/

[dead0man]

what's your point here?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Huh. Me and Evergreen agree that Charlie Hedbo sucks. That kinda surprises me.

Edit: I expected a dumb cartoon continuing to poke the Islamist bear in the link. I found a surprisingly interesting if not a little bit too late editorial.

[windjammer]

Huh. Me and Evergreen agree that Charlie Hedbo sucks. That kinda surprises me.

Edit: I expected a dumb cartoon continuing to poke the Islamist bear in the link. I found a surprisingly interesting if not a little bit too late editorial.

And I agree with you too!

Charlie Hebdo is just pure garbage

[Famous Mortimer]

Is there any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism mild enough that Western liberals won't declare it racist? No? I didn't think so.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Is there any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism mild enough that Western liberals won't declare it racist? No? I didn't think so.

Evergreen is a rather extreme case, to be fair.

[Mopsus]

Given the bitter tone of that editorial, you'd think that Charlie Hebdo had had its offices shot up by a couple of Muslims or something.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Reading that makes me realize my perspective has changed quite a bit over the past few years. I was a huge fan of Charlie Hebdo around 2008-2010.

I still think there's a valid and important point buried beneath the crass language and stereotyping,  but these people are smart and should know better.

[Famous Mortimer]

I seriously can't comprehend how this article is offensive. I guess we just have reached a point where anything less than "Muslims are peacefully wonderful people" is considered hate speech.

[Derpist]

I seriously can't comprehend how this article is offensive. I guess we just have reached a point where anything less than "Muslims are peacefully wonderful people" is considered hate speech.

Who only engage in "workplace disputes" when evil racists are triggering them.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I seriously can't comprehend how this article is offensive. I guess we just have reached a point where anything less than "Muslims are peacefully wonderful people" is considered hate speech.

It's offensive because it relies heavily on stereotypes and seems to imply that Muslims who are just serious about practicing their faith are somehow a problem.

I'm saying this as someone who still has a lot of respect for Charlie Hebdo and the place it occupies in the French cultural discourse. I think they raise a valid concern about a tendency of intellectuals toward self-censorship on religious matters. I just wish they could raise it in a more intellectually rigorous way.

[Derpist]

I seriously can't comprehend how this article is offensive. I guess we just have reached a point where anything less than "Muslims are peacefully wonderful people" is considered hate speech.

It's offensive because it relies heavily on stereotypes and seems to imply that Muslims who are just serious about practicing their faith are somehow a problem.

I'm saying this as someone who still has a lot of respect for Charlie Hebdo and the place it occupies in the French cultural discourse. I think they raise a valid concern about a tendency of intellectuals toward self-censorship on religious matters. I just wish they could raise it in a more intellectually rigorous way.

Why is it that the people who usually make that argument have  seriously problem if you replace the word Muslim with Christian?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I seriously can't comprehend how this article is offensive. I guess we just have reached a point where anything less than "Muslims are peacefully wonderful people" is considered hate speech.

It's offensive because it relies heavily on stereotypes and seems to imply that Muslims who are just serious about practicing their faith are somehow a problem.

I'm saying this as someone who still has a lot of respect for Charlie Hebdo and the place it occupies in the French cultural discourse. I think they raise a valid concern about a tendency of intellectuals toward self-censorship on religious matters. I just wish they could raise it in a more intellectually rigorous way.

Why is it that the people who usually make that argument have  seriously problem if you replace the word Muslim with Christian?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but Charlie Hebdo has been very hard on the Catholic Church as well. In fact I'm pretty sure a majority of their religion-themed cartoons are still about it.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I seriously can't comprehend how this article is offensive. I guess we just have reached a point where anything less than "Muslims are peacefully wonderful people" is considered hate speech.

It's offensive because it relies heavily on stereotypes and seems to imply that Muslims who are just serious about practicing their faith are somehow a problem.

I'm saying this as someone who still has a lot of respect for Charlie Hebdo and the place it occupies in the French cultural discourse. I think they raise a valid concern about a tendency of intellectuals toward self-censorship on religious matters. I just wish they could raise it in a more intellectually rigorous way.

Why is it that the people who usually make that argument have  seriously problem if you replace the word Muslim with Christian?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but Charlie Hebdo has been very hard on the Catholic Church as well. In fact I'm pretty sure a majority of their religion-themed cartoons are still about it.

There is nothing "intellectually rigorous" about Charlie Hedbo though.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I seriously can't comprehend how this article is offensive. I guess we just have reached a point where anything less than "Muslims are peacefully wonderful people" is considered hate speech.

It's offensive because it relies heavily on stereotypes and seems to imply that Muslims who are just serious about practicing their faith are somehow a problem.

I'm saying this as someone who still has a lot of respect for Charlie Hebdo and the place it occupies in the French cultural discourse. I think they raise a valid concern about a tendency of intellectuals toward self-censorship on religious matters. I just wish they could raise it in a more intellectually rigorous way.

Why is it that the people who usually make that argument have  seriously problem if you replace the word Muslim with Christian?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but Charlie Hebdo has been very hard on the Catholic Church as well. In fact I'm pretty sure a majority of their religion-themed cartoons are still about it.

There is nothing "intellectually rigorous" about Charlie Hedbo though.

That was my point.

[The Last Northerner]

Edit: I expected a dumb cartoon continuing to poke the Islamist bear in the link. I found a surprisingly interesting if not a little bit too late editorial.

The mood following the Charlie Hebdo shooting was one of shock and awe... like how could something like this happen? Leaders across all countries were matching together in a show of unity and defense of free speech.

Later on, and especially after the Brussells Bombing, these types of terrorist attacks almost felt a 'norm'... something that justs exists and the mood and response differs accordingly. I find it comparible to mass shootings in a way, the first one is a tragedy but the next ten are statistics.

[afleitch]

Corbyn voicing support for reaffirming old fashioned imperialism with 'direct rule' of the overseas colonies.

[Simfan34]

Corbyn voicing support for reaffirming old fashioned imperialism with 'direct rule' of the overseas colonies.

I saw this, and while it warmed the cockles of my heart, I think this is the wrong thread.

[Cory]

Is there any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism mild enough that Western liberals won't declare it racist? No? I didn't think so.

[SATW]

Is there any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism mild enough that Western liberals won't declare it racist? No? I didn't think so.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Is there any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism mild enough that Western liberals won't declare it racist? No? I didn't think so.

did y'alls even read the article…? it isn't a "mild criticism of islamic fundamentalism", it's a rambling screed about how every random innocent muslim is helping terrorism just by existing.

[Derpist]

Is there any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism mild enough that Western liberals won't declare it racist? No? I didn't think so.

[MaxQue]

Is there any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism mild enough that Western liberals won't declare it racist? No? I didn't think so.

did y'alls even read the article…? it isn't a "mild criticism of islamic fundamentalism", it's a rambling screed about how every random innocent muslim is helping terrorism just by existing.

I read it and I seriously question your reading abilities if you understand that from the article.

[Intell]

Is there any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism mild enough that Western liberals won't declare it racist? No? I didn't think so.

[ingemann]

Is there any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism mild enough that Western liberals won't declare it racist? No? I didn't think so.