Bill Clinton: BLM is defending murderers and drug dealers

[BundouYMB]

I wish the Sanders campaign would bring up some of the veiled racism the Clinton's employed against Obama back in 2008. All of it shouldn't be swept under the rug and forgotten.

He probably should've, if he was running a serious campaign to win the nomination, but he probably never expected to do this well and forwent paying any attention to the south in order to focus his resources in a handful of other states early on in the hope he could win a few contests. Now, at this late date, Clinton has already won most of the south with landslide margins and gotten way out in front on race issues, incl. winning the endorsement of pretty much every prominent black voice in America. Trying to bring that sort of thing up now wouldn't work.

I mean, in the exit poll in Mississippi, IIRC, something like 90% said they trusted Clinton to handle race relations and only 45~% said that about Sanders. There's no way starting a war of words about it would be helpful at this point.

[Reaganfan]

The bill was to punish people for being criminals. Not to punish people for being Black.

Literally the only ones equating Black people with criminals are the BLM activists, who seem to think that all Black people are criminals, and thus an anti-crime bill is an attack on all Blacks.

If you did your research you would realize that the bill disproportionately imprisoned blacks in the 90s. This was Clinton's attempt to look "tough" and bring the super predators to heel.

Did you ever think...that most of the criminals just happened to be black?

– FACT: Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, blacks committed 52% of homicides, compared to 45% of homicides committed by whites.

– FACT: From 2011 to 2013, 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. This figure is three times higher than the 13% black population figure. When you account for the fact that black males aged 15-34, who account for around 3% of the population, are responsible for the vast majority of these crimes, the figures are even more staggering.

– FACT: Despite being outnumbered by whites five to one, blacks commit eight times more crimes against whites than vice-versa, according to FBI statistics from 2007. A black male is 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse. These figures also show that interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white.

“Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their widely cited 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.”

What say you, my good friend?

[Adam Griffin]

So now it's not enough that just saying "All lives matter" is racist, even implying that any life over than a black life matters is racist.

Steering away from the topic of BLM by deflecting to other groups/problems - whether they be within the black community or outside of it - as a way to avoid discussing the issue is in fact a racist deflection, yes, and it is a very common one.

What do you think crime is?  Who do you think was affected?  The only controversy seems to be low-level or nonviolent drug offenders.  Whether or not you think they're actually criminals, they certainly committed a crime.  If they do get let out of jail I hope that instead of going back to destroy black communities, they come hang out on your sheltered suburban street corner and sell drugs to your children and destroy your community.  Maybe that would change your view about whether or not it's racist to call them criminals.

Do you think the overwhelming majority of people and families who had their lives destroyed were hardcore "gang-bangers" dealing with massive amounts of violence and drugs? Just how many drug-kingpins and violent sociopaths do you think exist in this country? No, the vast majority of people impacted were those "low-level or nonviolent drug offenders"; the crime bill when coupled with massive amounts of police bias and racial profiling exploded the number of people caught in the net, and destroyed countless more lives of truly innocent people by ripping away from them their breadwinners, parents and loved ones.

Also, LOL...I'm not sure where somebody sporting exclusively PNW avatars during his tenure on the forum gets off on trying to tell someone in Georgia to get out of their "sheltered suburban street corner" as if he's going to win a pissing match about who has spent more time living in and associating with minority communities, but I'll save you the embarrassment and just stop right here.

This is so stupid it makes my head explode.  He never said "you're all poor, right?", you put that in because you desperately want to hear Bill Clinton say racist things so you can boil over with hatred.

Quotes added for effect. What he did say implied that. Were the BLM protesters there because of poor kids lacking healthcare? No. Please explain why in the hell that is a relevant subject to bring up in an attempt to assuage their concerns? The connection/correlation was made because of the subconscious stereotype that "all black people are poor", and that "black issues" are singular. By offering a completely unrelated effort as an anecdote which makes him and his wife look good, he was implying that "we've done a lot of good for the black community, so your concerns are invalid". Except those issues weren't part of the concern being expressed by protesters. So him saying "we helped poor kids" as part of a broader defense that they haven't been bad for black people is implying the hell out of that.

I think you'll find the slogan is "black lives matter"
Regardless, you're accusing Bill of being a bigot and a racist.  I'm pretty sure that if you're a racist you hate black people no matter where they are in the world.

I think that if you were to sit down with someone affiliated with BLM and you were to give them that description, they would explain that "Black Lives Matter" is first and foremost a movement built around confronting institutional biases within the United States of America and the blatant disregard for black lives in American society. Attempting to counter their arguments by pointing to charity work in Africa as a way to also de-legitimize their concerns here at home - I don't think - would go over very well.

[Lyin' Steve]

The bill was to punish people for being criminals. Not to punish people for being Black.

Literally the only ones equating Black people with criminals are the BLM activists, who seem to think that all Black people are criminals, and thus an anti-crime bill is an attack on all Blacks.

If you did your research you would realize that the bill disproportionately imprisoned blacks in the 90s. This was Clinton's attempt to look "tough" and bring the super predators to heel.

Please find me the language in the bill that explicitly targets blacks, or even a single quote from the Clintons that explicitly (not made-up voodoo racism like "she said superpredators and meant blacks!") targets blacks.

[Adam Griffin]

The bill was to punish people for being criminals. Not to punish people for being Black.

Literally the only ones equating Black people with criminals are the BLM activists, who seem to think that all Black people are criminals, and thus an anti-crime bill is an attack on all Blacks.

If you did your research you would realize that the bill disproportionately imprisoned blacks in the 90s. This was Clinton's attempt to look "tough" and bring the super predators to heel.

Please find me the language in the bill that explicitly targets blacks, or even a single quote from the Clintons that explicitly (not made-up voodoo racism like "she said superpredators and meant blacks!") targets blacks.

We can start with minimum mandatory sentencing variations for specific types of drugs that had known disparities in usage by race.

[Simfan34]

Bill is, of course, correct.

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The bill was to punish people for being criminals. Not to punish people for being Black.

Literally the only ones equating Black people with criminals are the BLM activists, who seem to think that all Black people are criminals, and thus an anti-crime bill is an attack on all Blacks.

If you did your research you would realize that the bill disproportionately imprisoned blacks in the 90s. This was Clinton's attempt to look "tough" and bring the super predators to heel.

Please find me the language in the bill that explicitly targets blacks, or even a single quote from the Clintons that explicitly (not made-up voodoo racism like "she said superpredators and meant blacks!") targets blacks.

We can start with minimum mandatory sentencing variations for specific types of drugs that had known disparities in usage by race.

And Bill did just mention crack today.

[7,052,770]

Oh my god Naso, stop. You're scaring Democrats off from defending Bill here.

[Derpist]

We can start with minimum mandatory sentencing variations for specific types of drugs that had known disparities in usage by race.

I presume you refer to the crack cocaine sentencing disparity, which was demanded for by the Congressional Black Caucus before they realized they might have gone overboard.

http://zombiemeditations.com/2015/05/06/is-the-war-on-drugs-racist-the-surprising-truth-behind-the-black-curtains-of-history/

[Reaganfan]

You're scaring Democrats off from defending Bill here.

Who cares. The 20 year old blue collar Clinton '96 voter is probably a damn Trump voter today. They didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left them.

[Shadows]

What a disgrace!

[Comrade Funk]

You're scaring Democrats off from defending Bill here.

Who cares. The 20 year old blue collar Clinton '96 voter is probably a damn Trump voter today. They didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left them.

Lol good

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You're scaring Democrats off from defending Bill here.

Who cares. The 20 year old blue collar Clinton '96 voter is probably a damn Trump voter today. They didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left them.

Too bad Clinton didn't leave.

[Adam Griffin]

We can start with minimum mandatory sentencing variations for specific types of drugs that had known disparities in usage by race.

I presume you refer to the crack cocaine sentencing disparity, which was demanded for by the Congressional Black Caucus before they realized they might have gone overboard.

http://zombiemeditations.com/2015/05/06/is-the-war-on-drugs-racist-the-surprising-truth-behind-the-black-curtains-of-history/

The notion that institutional racism ceases to be such if at least one person of color participates in it is nonsensical.

[Ebowed]

You're scaring Democrats off from defending Bill here.

Who cares. The 20 year old blue collar Clinton '96 voter is probably a damn Trump voter today. They didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left them.

Great.  You embrace the supporters of a racist serial sexual assaulter who abused his position of authority to seduce a subordinate half his age into sleeping with him.  Good to see you show your true colors.

[dspNY]

The bill was to punish people for being criminals. Not to punish people for being Black.

Literally the only ones equating Black people with criminals are the BLM activists, who seem to think that all Black people are criminals, and thus an anti-crime bill is an attack on all Blacks.

If you did your research you would realize that the bill disproportionately imprisoned blacks in the 90s. This was Clinton's attempt to look "tough" and bring the super predators to heel.

Absolutely clueless. Incarceration rates skyrocketed largely due to state-level Rockefeller drug laws and zero tolerance policies that began in the 1970s and accelerated dramatically during the Reagan/Bush era. In fact most of the incarcerated in the country today are in state prisons, not federal prisons. Reform must start on the state and local level which means winning governor's mansions, state senate seats, state leg. seats...

[Reaganfan]

You're scaring Democrats off from defending Bill here.

Who cares. The 20 year old blue collar Clinton '96 voter is probably a damn Trump voter today. They didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left them.

Great.  You embrace the supporters of a racist serial sexual assaulter who abused his position of authority to seduce a subordinate half his age into sleeping with him.  Good to see you show your true colors.

Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Donald Trump?

[Ebowed]

You're scaring Democrats off from defending Bill here.

Who cares. The 20 year old blue collar Clinton '96 voter is probably a damn Trump voter today. They didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left them.

Great.  You embrace the supporters of a racist serial sexual assaulter who abused his position of authority to seduce a subordinate half his age into sleeping with him.  Good to see you show your true colors.

Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Donald Trump?

Either one of them could have gone on that ridiculous rant about 13 year olds hopped on crack, so it's entirely up to you!

[Reaganfan]

You're scaring Democrats off from defending Bill here.

Who cares. The 20 year old blue collar Clinton '96 voter is probably a damn Trump voter today. They didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left them.

Great.  You embrace the supporters of a racist serial sexual assaulter who abused his position of authority to seduce a subordinate half his age into sleeping with him.  Good to see you show your true colors.

Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Donald Trump?

Either one of them could have gone on that ridiculous rant about 13 year olds hopped on crack, so it's entirely up to you!

You want 13 year olds to do crack?

[Ebowed]

You want 13 year olds to do crack?

Uh, no.  You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

[Derpist]

You're scaring Democrats off from defending Bill here.

Who cares. The 20 year old blue collar Clinton '96 voter is probably a damn Trump voter today. They didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left them.

Great.  You embrace the supporters of a racist serial sexual assaulter who abused his position of authority to seduce a subordinate half his age into sleeping with him.  Good to see you show your true colors.

To be quite fair, most of the Bernie supporters here are going to vote for the enabler of a serial sexual assaulter who abused his position of authority to seduce a subordinate half his age into sleeping with him

[Virginiá]

Great.  You embrace the supporters of a racist serial sexual assaulter who abused his position of authority to seduce a subordinate half his age into sleeping with him.  Good to see you show your true colors.

To be quite fair, most of the Bernie supporters here are going to vote for the enabler of a serial sexual assaulter who abused his position of authority to seduce a subordinate half his age into sleeping with him

Just stop.

[RFayette]

Good for Bill Clinton.  The fact that what he said annoyed Ebowed is a good sign that he's in the right. 

Thugs who murder people and sell crack deserve to be put away.  When the radical black agitators spend all their time defending thugs and criminals against lawful police action, all they are doing is making other blacks look bad by lumping them all in with the criminals.  Clinton's support of increased sentences helped keep America safer and was 100% justified.

[Ebowed]

Clinton's support of increased sentences helped keep America safer and was 100% justified.

You must have missed the part where he admitted to the NAACP last year that it was a failed policy that ended up pointlessly destroying people's livelihoods.

[Suburbia]

Good for Bill Clinton.  The fact that what he said annoyed Ebowed is a good sign that he's in the right. 

Thugs who murder people and sell crack deserve to be put away.  When the radical black agitators spend all their time defending thugs and criminals against lawful police action, all they are doing is making other blacks look bad by lumping them all in with the criminals.  Clinton's support of increased sentences helped keep America safer and was 100% justified.